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redsquirrel said:
Well firstly it's worth noting that despite it being a fantastic night for them in terms of seats, there are probably aren't that many more people voting for them in 2015 than 2010, roughly 28% of the electorate. It's looking like they've lost a considerable number of voters to UKIP, though they've made those numbers up from the LDs.

But for all their cuntiness I didn't see them coming out with the same chest-prodding that Labour did (and are still doing!) to their Scottish voters. The Tories played the self-interest card to the liberals and it worked.
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But there are still more people voting for them and that's after them fucking the country over so they should have lost votes, not gained them. Farage completely talks down to people, too, but for some reason they fall for it. I mean, acting like a man of the people while being a public school stockbroker, and telling people it's all the immigrants' fault? That's talking down to the people.

Scotland is a separate issue, in a way; if Labour had lost every single seat in Scotland (and they did come close!) they could still have won had they done better in England the way the polls predicted.

The thing is, in England they didn't actually talk down to people that much. Perhaps that was their mistake.
 

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My city has 3 seats, traditionally labour. Labour held all 3. UKIP got 21%, 22%, and 25%. No idea what the council is going to look like later today.

Curious times.

Interesting to see quite candid talk about PR during the BBC's coverage. Whether that'll continue once they realise people other than politics nerds are watching is another matter. It depends if anyone other than UKIP talk about it. It doesn't exactly behoove the SNP to bang on about it, since its introduction would presumably eat into their gains. I'm not sure the LibDems have much of a platform to be talking about anything right now, and Labour will be too focused on a leadership battle, and the only way it'll be a consideration for them is if a viable candidate comes forward who talks about that, which isn't likely.
 
brogdale said:
Calls from parties with no power.
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But it further deligitamises the political system - and UKIP will keep the issue on the agenda. The tories aren't going to bring it in - but labour may adopt it as a policy. If they still have a meaningful existence after this debacle.
 
wokingham has gone from being a safe tory seat with the limp dems in a moderately distant second (never that serious a contender for the westminster seat, but at the absolute depth of tory fortunes in the 90s they managed to get the district council on minority administration and mayor's casting vote) to an even safer tory seat with labour in distant second and the limp dems in slightly more distant third

at least no "it's a two horse race" crap from them in 2020...
 
Kaka Tim said:
But it further deligitamises the political system - and UKIP will keep the issue on the agenda. The tories aren't going to bring it in - but labour may adopt it as a policy. If they still have a meaningful existence after this debacle.
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They won't.
 
doddles said:
Why? Have you thought about people who don't necessarily owe their allegiance to the UK? Citizens of other countries, people married to people from other countries, people who feel a stronger bond with, e.g. Europe than they do with the UK? There's all sorts of reasons why this election result might be the tipping point for someone to want to leave, without their only reason being one of selfishness.
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These particular people are the sort who will fuck off to places like Thailand
 
scifisam said:
But there are still more people voting for them and that's after them fucking the country over so they should have lost votes, not gained them. Farage completely talks down to people, too, but for some reason they fall for it. I mean, acting like a man of the people while being a public school stockbroker, and telling people it's all the immigrants' fault? That's talking down to the people.

Scotland is a separate issue, in a way; if Labour had lost every single seat in Scotland (and they did come close!) they could still have won had they done better in England the way the polls predicted.

The thing is, in England they didn't actually talk down to people that much. Perhaps that was their mistake.
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Christ, you have this much contempt for of your fellow men and women and then you wonder why people aren't voting the "right" way.

Sorry but have a look at yourself. And if you think Labour didn't hold it's E&W voters for granted then I don't know what planet you are living on.
 
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