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I don't want to sound callous but I'm finding it really puzzling as to how the same virus can affect people in such different ways. At the start of all this it was all about 'underlying medical conditions' but that seems to be relied on. Why do some people get no or virtually no symptoms yet for others its terrible.

Whilst its clear baseline health is a factor there has to be something else at play here. Do genetics play a factor? It certainly seems to affect men worse. Also there is this whole concept of viral load and if you're exposed to a lot of the virus as just opposed to a small amount.

I am hopeful that in the future a lot will be learnt from this and hopefully we'll be in a much better position to fight the next pandemic when it comes along , as it positively will. Obviously this is not much use to those in the middle of the whirlwind right now.
It’s genetic and how your immune system over reacts when the patient builds immunity to the virus. The patients immune system goes into overdrive and impedes your lungs.
It’s the reason some heavy drinkers and smokers develop different cancers and others breeze through with no problems. We all have similar DNA, it’s just some parts of the ladder have dodgy rungs.
 
Some people are very unaware of their social activities and the impact of those on their immune systems. Smoking rapidly drops levels of vitamin C hence smokers are usually the first and regularly get a touch of the sniffles. Excessive alcohol consumption compromises immune systems, drug taking impacts it too. See also an unvaried and fruit and veg free or scant diet. Add all those together and I would hypothesize that it creates an interesting host environment and does not have any of the "underlying medical conditions" list of scenarios. Just my lockdown mind having a think.

ETA Sprocket saying similar things and beat me to it.
 
I just got this, thankfully we’ve been doing this for three weeks. Glad someone had their fingers on the pulse. Attached to a text saying I’m extremely vulnerable and basically I guess if I do cop for covid-19 I stand a better chance swinging a dead cat around my head in a graveyard at midnight.

 
The chocolate and confectionery giant Mars has donated 1m Easter eggs to NHS workers, food banks and community groups.
The Easter treats, which include products under the Maltesers, M&Ms, Galaxy and Mars brands, have been handed out directly to hospitals including the new Nightingale hospital in London and the Countess of Chester hospital in the north-west. They will also be available via food banks and other community projects supplied by the national FareShare food distribution charity.

Good on them
 
Just seen a BBC article posted on Facebook about the efforts to trace the contacts of a guy who died from covid 19 in one of India's largest slums. Loads of people commenting that maybe it won't spread there because the people have strong immune systems. :facepalm:
 
Does anyone know what temperature you’ve got to be to be classed as possibly having a fever?

According to Amazon, if your temp over 37.5°C you’ve got to self quarantine for 72hrs.
 
Just seen a BBC article posted on Facebook about the efforts to trace the contacts of a guy who died from covid 19 in one of India's largest slums. Loads of people commenting that maybe it won't spread there because the people have strong immune systems. :facepalm:

When there was the story about how the TB vaccine could maybe help in this pandemic, and I was looking into the broader background of such claims, there was actually some interesting stuff on that note. I forgot the detail, but something along the lines of that vaccine seeming to make very little apparent difference in some places, and theories about why that is. One of them involves the idea that if people had already naturally picked up certain bacterial infections, those infections had done a similar 'immune system priming' job to that the vaccine can offer.

Polio is another one. The theory is that increased public health/hygiene/clean environment in some countries meant polio epidemics could occur, often affecting middle class families at the time, in a way that simply didnt used to happen in the past. Because in the old days the mother passed some immunity to their child, and the child was likely to be exposed to polio in the environment early, while this immunity was still offering them some protection. But when the environment was cleaner, the young were catching it much later on, when the temporary immunity they had gotten from their mother had long since passed, and the risk of complications was greater.
 
Just had another text from GovUk and NHS saying I must not go outside of my property. Though I can open a window.
For the next twelve weeks!!
Bah.

Was it this?

NHS Coronavirus Service: Your condition means you are at high risk of severe illness if you catch Coronavirus. Please remain at home for 12 weeks unless a healthcare professional tells you to leave. You will get a letter from the NHS to confirm this.

Support is available for you if you need it to get help with getting food and basic care. Please complete this short form to tell us whether you need this: www.gov.uk/coronavirus-extremely-vulnerable.

If you cannot sign up on the website, call us on 0800 028 8327.

The NHS is still here for you. You will get the care you need, but it is more likely to be via phone or online.

I got that... my condition, such as it is, is not on the list. Odd.

Bit fucking scary if you are... :(
 
elbows, this is what my oncologist said when we had a phone consultation ten days ago. He said he had put appropriate forms in. But I had already started to follow the guidelines but didn’t know about not going outside of my property. I have been going on dog walks with Mrs S. Though we are sleeping in different rooms and trying be as distant as possible. It is truly despairing.
But it’s the way of things.
I am expecting my chemo sessions to be suspended if these first scans next week show no change. It’s become all about increasing the longevity of my life after that. Ho hum!
 
When there was the story about how the TB vaccine could maybe help in this pandemic, and I was looking into the broader background of such claims, there was actually some interesting stuff on that note. I forgot the detail, but something along the lines of that vaccine seeming to make very little apparent difference in some places, and theories about why that is. One of them involves the idea that if people had already naturally picked up certain bacterial infections, those infections had done a similar 'immune system priming' job to that the vaccine can offer.

Polio is another one. The theory is that increased public health/hygiene/clean environment in some countries meant polio epidemics could occur, often affecting middle class families at the time, in a way that simply didnt used to happen in the past. Because in the old days the mother passed some immunity to their child, and the child was likely to be exposed to polio in the environment early, while this immunity was still offering them some protection. But when the environment was cleaner, the young were catching it much later on, when the temporary immunity they had gotten from their mother had long since passed, and the risk of complications was greater.

OK, I can understand how that would work, I think. I was working under the, quite possibly false, assumption that having to fight against the levels of disease, combined with poor diet, lack of rest and all the other stresses of those living conditions would leave immune systems compromised.
 
Just had another text from GovUk and NHS saying I must not go outside of my property. Though I can open a window.
For the next twelve weeks!!
Bah.

My wife got that today as well. She had only received the message that everyone got before. She's not taking any of the medication they listed but has in the past for ulcerative colitis and sacoidosis but they have been under control for over 3 years.

She did contact our doctor last week as she needed proof of sarcoidosis to get a reduction on our water bill so was thinking they may have added her to the list.
 
Does anyone know what temperature you’ve got to be to be classed as possibly having a fever?

According to Amazon, if your temp over 37.5°C you’ve got to self quarantine for 72hrs.


That's interesting. I had a cough about 4 weeks back (very dry and unpleasant), I had no fever as far as I was aware, but I did feel tired a lot, and I had bare headaches and muscle aches.

I measured my temperature twice a day and the highest it got up to was 37.4 one afternoon, for about half an hour.

This was around the time I came on the blob.

Tbh, it wouldn't have stopped me going6to work, and it didn't knock me out enough not to partake in the odd glass of wine or three.

I know hormones play a part in temperature differences and thought nothing of it.

Could I have had the Lurgey?

My husband never got sick, and I stayed at home (cuz the cough was nasty and has taken 4 weeks to clear up.... But I always get a cough when I get sick...)
 
That's interesting. I had a cough about 4 weeks back (very dry and unpleasant), I had no fever as far as I was aware, but I did feel tired a lot, and I had bare headaches and muscle aches.

I measured my temperature twice a day and the highest it got up to was 37.4 one afternoon, for about half an hour.

This was around the time I came on the blob.

Tbh, it wouldn't have stopped me going6to work, and it didn't knock me out enough not to partake in the odd glass of wine or three.

I know hormones play a part in temperature differences and thought nothing of it.

Could I have had the Lurgey?

My husband never got sick, and I stayed at home (cuz the cough was nasty and has taken 4 weeks to clear up.... But I always get a cough when I get sick...)

Me and my gf had same symptoms as you mention, possibly around the same time you mention of approx a month ago, I did comment about it on here too.

I didn’t check my temp at the time but my gf is convinced that we both had coronavirus.
 
this doesn't tally with current welsh figures


although on this topic i heard have 2 X chromosomes is generally associated with improved immune response (for certain definitions of improved).

Lots of data presented in that article but it is subject to huge margins of error. I think they are trying to over analyse limited data and could well be drawing very wrong conclusions. Read with interest though as a very good friend is a nurse on a Welsh covid ward.
 
fair enough, was jut the most recent breakdown i've seen and the sex ratios were notable for not fitting into what i'd come to expect. luckily i understand little enough about statistics to seek any particular solace or real understanding in them either way...
 
Me and my gf had same symptoms as you mention, possibly around the same time you mention of approx a month ago, I did comment about it on here too.

I didn’t check my temp at the time but my gf is convinced that we both had coronavirus.


My mum had something similar in London around that time too.. Thing is, I'm in Krakow, and when I came down with it, it started as a scratchy larynx, and it was before any lock down had happened at all, only1 week after first diagnosed case.....

That's why it made me wonder.

I've honestly had far worse illnesses most years.
 
When there was the story about how the TB vaccine could maybe help in this pandemic, and I was looking into the broader background of such claims, there was actually some interesting stuff on that note. I forgot the detail, but something along the lines of that vaccine seeming to make very little apparent difference in some places, and theories about why that is. One of them involves the idea that if people had already naturally picked up certain bacterial infections, those infections had done a similar 'immune system priming' job to that the vaccine can offer.

Polio is another one. The theory is that increased public health/hygiene/clean environment in some countries meant polio epidemics could occur, often affecting middle class families at the time, in a way that simply didnt used to happen in the past. Because in the old days the mother passed some immunity to their child, and the child was likely to be exposed to polio in the environment early, while this immunity was still offering them some protection. But when the environment was cleaner, the young were catching it much later on, when the temporary immunity they had gotten from their mother had long since passed, and the risk of complications was greater.


Adding to this, there have been some really fascinating studies that show that people who have had fevers and infections in childhood have a better immune response to all illness in later years, including acute infection and degenerative diseases like cancer and cardiovascular disease. These studies came out of the hygeine hypothesis and the studies around fever protecting children from enveloping atopy. There’s a lot of confusion and conflation in those studies and the pop lit that came out of them, but there does seem to be a significant correlation between fever suppression and avoidance in childhood, and a tendency to immunological dysfunction later in life.

One of the questions I’d be looking at, if I could, is historic acute infection management in the individual and response to acute viral respiratory infection: Does historic suppression of fever and acute infection predispose the individual to cytokine storm?




Also, epigenetics probably plays a significant role in the difference in response.

Blood group seems to be a factor too, although it’s too soon to know why.

But I do think this particular virus is quite tricksy and has a range of effects that currently confound us.

One of the things about a pandemic is that the sample size for any study is necessarily huge, so hopefully we’ll learn a lot about coronaviruses and human immunology on the other side of this.
 
Why the fuck are we prioritising tests when the majority of the population is left unable to be tested spreading the shit and the deterioration comes around 8-10 days into the infection so we have to isolate then wait until we’re nearly fucking dead before they’ll admit us and test us uk is bullshit
 
Took a day off today as woke up with a banging headache, took my temperature which read 36.2°C which is ok.

Still had to go into Amazon depot before I was given clearance to leave for the day but noticed all yard marshall’s in face masks and protective gloves.

Also got a group text last night warning of groups of drivers being noticed off site congregating in groups not adhering to social distancing which needs to stop.
 
Why the fuck are we prioritising tests when the majority of the population is left unable to be tested spreading the shit and the deterioration comes around 8-10 days into the infection so we have to isolate then wait until we’re nearly fucking dead before they’ll admit us and test us uk is bullshit

At the moment there is clearly a limited resource for testing so under these circumstances there clearly needs to be a system of priority. The one they have chosen is being who are being hospitalised and those who are wealthy and well connected.

The real question is why at this stage of the outbreak we still have such a limited resource. We can and have speculated on the reasons for this but there has not been even an attempt at an adequate response from the government beyond Gove mumbling something about availability of the appropriate chemicals and Hancock trying a bit of sleight of hand by trying to conflate testing for the virus with antibody tests.
 
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