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Ontario moves to the next stage of reopening today, my much-missed favourite bar is celebrating that and its 4th anniversary with $4 beers and live bands all day.

The case numbers are low enough to justify it - but until 2 weeks after next Tuesday, I'm only half-vaccinated, and I'm looking at the Delta variant kicking the shit out of Britain and thinking I might hold off at least a couple of months before I do anything that involves a lot of unmasked people indoors.
 
I just disable the bluetooth on my phone when i'm not actually going somewhere. So basically I just use the app when indoors in close proximity, which tbf is not much at the moment and I'm not visiting friends indoors etc either.

Sounds annoying being pinged when there's little chance of it being anything. I'd probs self isolate and get a test anyway just in case tho.
 
crossthebreeze said:
I think Sunday - the 10 days start the day after the contact.

Me and my partner were in close contact with a friend on Tuesday who started coughing on Tuesday evening, tested positive on a Lft, and told us immediatly. They ordered a PCR on Tues night but are still waiting for it. Meanwhile we are yet to be contacted by T&T/nhs app and official guidance is we don't need to self isolate until that happens - just social distance!

Obviously we are both self-isolating, apart from that my partner is picking up a laptop and mobile from work today so she can work from (my) home, as they can't officially class her as self-isolating until test and trace contacts her - and I'll take the bins out and bring stuff up from her car (I live on an upper flat). We're both going to do an LFT, wash hands, and mask up to do this. I'm self employed, so losing out on quite a bit of work.

The whole system is useless - And the government guidance is confusing and out of date - lots of stuff about support bubbles still in there.
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An update:
I got a text from. T&T yesterday.
My partner didn't.

She had spent more time with the friend who now has covid than I had, he says he gave both contact details. No trace through app because he had Bluetooth switched off. She needs an official notification for work, and she is also CEV.
 
elbows said:
OK following on from my last post, here are some of the figures from last weeks variant surveillance report. edit - ah I see 2hats beat me to it but I'll still post this anyway. Its just some of the numbers from the table he mentioned.

These numbers are all looking at confirmed Delta cases in England from 1st Feb to 21st June, so not the entire picture but a reasonable guide in some ways:

123,620 positive cases:
14,359 vaccine status unknown.
8562 with one vaccine dose within 21 days of testing positive.
17,933 with one vaccine dose more than 21 days before testing positive.
10,834 received 2 doses.
71,932 unvaccinated.

Deaths:
257 total.
2 vaccine status unknown.
1 with one vaccine dose within 21 days of testing positive.
44 with one vaccine dose more than 21 days before testing positive.
118 received 2 doses. (2 of whom were under 50, 116 who were 50 or over)
92 unvaccinated.
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118 double vaccinated dying....😳
 
crossthebreeze said:
An update:
I got a text from. T&T yesterday.
My partner didn't.

She had spent more time with the friend who now has covid than I had, he says he gave both contact details. No trace through app because he had Bluetooth switched off. She needs an official notification for work, and she is also CEV.
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That sucks.

When your friend’s PCR test (assuming positive) is in the system your partner and probably you too should get pinged by the app, assuming <2m contact for >15 mins, which should do as an official notification for work I’d think.
It is a shambles though.
 
gentlegreen said:
Presumably those unlucky enough to have responded poorly to the vaccine ...

I still don't know if my 5 days of fun with the first AZ was my response to the disabled vector or the spike ...
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Some of them, maybe, but some will have been vulnerable in other ways, mainly I would suspect age-related, despite adequate vaccine response, and some will have just been unlucky.

The vaccine, or rather the immune response it engenders, is not a magic shield. It will fail from time to time even in healthy individuals with robust immune systems. And when we’re generating 5 to 6 figures of new infections per day even levels of failure as low as one in a million will show up in the figures.
 
The vaccines are really quite impressive but for various reasons they were still never going to be as protective as to live up to simplistic binary thinking about vaccines. And since authorities obviously want to encourage vaccination, they have always felt the need to play up how effective the vaccines are.

Plus the vaccines were always going to get the best results in terms of stopping death and hospitalisation, and would show their limitations more when it comes to getting infected, ability to transmit the virus to others still.

Plus vaccines still offer protection against Delta but not as much protection against Delta as for the original strain of the virus.

Plus Oxford AstraZenica is not though to be as good at preventing infection with Delta as Pfizer is.
 
elbows said:
The vaccines are really quite impressive but for various reasons they were still never going to be as protective as to live up to simplistic binary thinking about vaccines. And since authorities obviously want to encourage vaccination, they have always felt the need to play up how effective the vaccines are.

Plus the vaccines were always going to get the best results in terms of stopping death and hospitalisation, and would show their limitations more when it comes to getting infected, ability to transmit the virus to others still.

Plus vaccines still offer protection against Delta but not as much protection against Delta as for the original strain of the virus.

Plus Oxford AstraZenica is not though to be as good at preventing infection with Delta as Pfizer is.
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Yup


So the government of cunts should not have banged their #worldbeating drum

Fucking shit show of thieves and cheating cunts
 
elbows said:
Plus Oxford AstraZenica is not though to be as good at preventing infection with Delta as Pfizer is.
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Quite possibly AZD1222 is less* (generally, typically) effective at preventing infection up to the first ~6 months relative to BNT162b2 (modulo seroconversion, age, etc), but after around (a hand-waving) 6 months there will be little in it (for non-convalescents). Both equally effective at preventing serious disease and death.

* note: less effective, not ineffective.
 
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Badgers said:
Yup


So the government of cunts should not have banged their #worldbeating drum

Fucking shit show of thieves and cheating cunts
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It's happened here too.
Everyone in a rush to get vaccinated...which is great...but nobody telling those of us who are vaccinated and immunocompromised, that we basically have to continue to live quite cocooned lives and stay masked, because our level of immunity might not cut the mustard.

It's clear that a third dose is being mooted for these patients in the US and UK too I think.
But how long will that third vaccine last for immunocompromised
 
Advice please? If I spent Friday afternoon inside and out with someone who then had a positive PCR on Sat. Must I self isolate?

I haven’t got any symptoms and just did a negative LFT… This person has no app and chose to contact the people they’d seen in the preceding week rather than fill in any T&T paperwork so I won’t get pinged. I imagine my job being difficult about this. What should I do?
 
If that happened to me then I'd tell work the truth except I'd probably not mention my contact not having bothered with test & trace, and would instead say you havent been officially contacted by test and trace yet, with an emphasis on how overloaded that system is right now. I would emphasise how much time I'd spent with that person.
 
If they had a positive PCR test, shouldn't T&T call them to ask about their contacts, rather than them choosing to fill in (or not) some paperwork... 🤔 (Genuine question, don't know how the system is supposed to work at the moment).

So I would make sure that the person knows that you would want to and need to be named as a contact if any official contact is made.
Otherwise I would do as elbows says, and your employers would have to be pretty dickish not to accept this (though I do readily accept that there are a lot of dickish employers!)

Apols for the (possible) cross-thread tag, crossthebreeze, aren't you in a similar situation? Any news on this?

Also wonder if there is any official advice around this...
I guess it's Johnson & Co relying on the common sense and public spiritedness of employers again...
 
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