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Was a bit worried about our neighbour over the road was very ill and hospitalised Feb-April, as I saw an ambulance outside their house yesterday. Saw his wife this morning and she said he was a bit unwell yesterday so gp called ambulance, but he's back home and ok now.

I developed a dreadful cold with really bad sore throat at weekend so took a test (with daughter, who had very blocked nose) seeing as I'd heard delta presented like a cold often and was pretty convinced this was it, but apparently not! Daughter did swear there was a non-covid cold going round- think I've given it to gsv now. Started to recede on Monday, never got fatigue or aches so I think it really is just a cold.
 
Also, Monday - 'Freedom day' :rolleyes: - will be the day my full vax protection kicks in but I just feel like it doesn't make much difference in current context. OK so I have more, but not total protection, and I'm hearing about a heck of a lot more infected double-jabbed people, including among friends, than I expected. But now COVID is all over the place and catchier it kind of feels like the advantages are cancelled out and like I have a similar chance to being not vaccinated in low-to-medium incidence of the virus.

I was never in much danger from it in the first place anyway, but I could still get laid out by it for a week or two, give it to someone else or my double-jabbed parents, I'm still sure as hell not going anywhere crowded without a mask (though I am very unbothered about wearing one). So I don't feel especially liberated by it right now - don't get me wrong, I'm not scared or anxious about it, I'm just annoyed and deflated!
 
So, I decide to go back into the office for one day, the fourth day I've been in since I started 10 months ago. Got a message from my assistant an hour or so ago saying she's tested positive after attending a baby shower on the weekend. We were sitting close for about 9 hours. I've done the home test thing and that was negative. I'm also double vaxxed. Like a lot of young bulletproof people she didnt have her app switched on so i've not been pinged, but do I need to self-isolate now? I do have a stonking headache, but I get those sometimes.

I've booked a proper test for today.. grrrrrr.. how long does that take? I'm so fucked off at my employers who have been putting subtle pressure on us to go in a couple of times a week. About 10 of us had lunch so I assume that's all of them out now too. We're also expected to return full time, 5 days a week as of Monday.
 
marty21 said:
I don't know if this has been covered yet on here. Deaths are rising again, is there any information about whether those deaths are people who were unvaccinated?
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Table 5 of PHE VOC/VUI Technical Briefing 18.

Spiegelhalter covered this a few weeks ago.
www.theguardian.com

Why most people who now die with Covid in England have had a vaccination | David Spiegelhalter and Anthony Masters

Don’t think of this as a bad sign, it’s exactly what’s expected from an effective but imperfect jab
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com

Deaths in vaccinees have been (not unsurprisingly) greatest amongst elderly (50+), whilst deaths in the unvaccinated have been skewed to younger cohorts.
 
marty21 said:
I don't know if this has been covered yet on here. Deaths are rising again, is there any information about whether those deaths are people who were unvaccinated?
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OK following on from my last post, here are some of the figures from last weeks variant surveillance report. edit - ah I see 2hats beat me to it but I'll still post this anyway. Its just some of the numbers from the table he mentioned.

These numbers are all looking at confirmed Delta cases in England from 1st Feb to 21st June, so not the entire picture but a reasonable guide in some ways:

123,620 positive cases:
14,359 vaccine status unknown.
8562 with one vaccine dose within 21 days of testing positive.
17,933 with one vaccine dose more than 21 days before testing positive.
10,834 received 2 doses.
71,932 unvaccinated.

Deaths:
257 total.
2 vaccine status unknown.
1 with one vaccine dose within 21 days of testing positive.
44 with one vaccine dose more than 21 days before testing positive.
118 received 2 doses. (2 of whom were under 50, 116 who were 50 or over)
92 unvaccinated.
 
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elbows said:
OK following on from my last post, here are some of the figures from last weeks variant surveillance report. edit - ah I see @2ahts beat me to it but I'll still post this anyway. Its just some of the numbers from the table he mentioned.

These numbers are all looking at confirmed Delta cases in England from 1st Feb to 21st June, so not the entire picture but a reasonable guide in some ways:

123,620 positive cases:
14,359 vaccine status unknown.
8562 with one vaccine dose within 21 days of testing positive.
17,933 with one vaccine dose more than 21 days before testing positive.
10,834 received 2 doses.
71,932 unvaccinated.

Deaths:
257 total.
2 vaccine status unknown.
1 with one vaccine dose within 21 days of testing positive.
44 with one vaccine dose more than 21 days before testing positive.
118 received 2 doses. (2 of whom were under 50, 116 who were 50 or over)
92 unvaccinated.
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Thanks for getting the info .
 
elbows said:
OK following on from my last post, here are some of the figures from last weeks variant surveillance report. edit - ah I see 2hats beat me to it but I'll still post this anyway. Its just some of the numbers from the table he mentioned.

These numbers are all looking at confirmed Delta cases in England from 1st Feb to 21st June, so not the entire picture but a reasonable guide in some ways:

123,620 positive cases:
14,359 vaccine status unknown.
8562 with one vaccine dose within 21 days of testing positive.
17,933 with one vaccine dose more than 21 days before testing positive.
10,834 received 2 doses.
71,932 unvaccinated.

Deaths:
257 total.
2 vaccine status unknown.
1 with one vaccine dose within 21 days of testing positive.
44 with one vaccine dose more than 21 days before testing positive.
118 received 2 doses. (2 of whom were under 50, 116 who were 50 or over)
92 unvaccinated.
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Still not a word on comorbidities. People with conditions that class them as vulnerable or extremely vulnerable would like to know whether their risk of death is still elevated following vaccination.
 
48k cases today.

I am really dreading catching buses from next week onwards. Unsurprisingly the local bus service isn't going to enforce masks.

As cases rise there is more likelihood of a given passenger being a plague carrier. If they aren't predisposed to wearing a mask then perhaps it's even more likely.

There are some seriously screwed up (un)intended consequences to this. Forcing people to shield in the name of freedom.

It's the Great Barrington Declaration. Rishi Sunak and Julia HB have finally gotten their wish (although she'll no doubt find something else to whine about for money)
 
Work is opening more desks from Monday, but still only about 30% capacity, and no mandate to return. My team seems to be agreement that we won't talk coming back in until numbers are under some sort of control, so we're probably taking autumn. Wouldn't be surprised if we hold of coming in over winter again.
 
elbows said:
Malta is quite prominent in such vaccine charts.

Here it is in a cases chart (log scale).
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Could be an illustration of how you might not be able to reach "herd immunity" if your population is actually mixing all the time with less vaccinated sub-populations, particularly in the face of a variant that drives that HIT much closer to 100%.
 
Petcha said:
So, I decide to go back into the office for one day, the fourth day I've been in since I started 10 months ago. Got a message from my assistant an hour or so ago saying she's tested positive after attending a baby shower on the weekend. We were sitting close for about 9 hours. I've done the home test thing and that was negative. I'm also double vaxxed. Like a lot of young bulletproof people she didnt have her app switched on so i've not been pinged, but do I need to self-isolate now? I do have a stonking headache, but I get those sometimes.

I've booked a proper test for today.. grrrrrr.. how long does that take? I'm so fucked off at my employers who have been putting subtle pressure on us to go in a couple of times a week. About 10 of us had lunch so I assume that's all of them out now too. We're also expected to return full time, 5 days a week as of Monday.
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Yes, you need to isolate for 10 days from the day you were with her. Sorry.
 
Anyone watching the BBC news this morning? Talked about a new study in The Lancet showing very high rates of long term organ damage among admissions to hospital among all covid patients, even younger (<50 years old) age groups. I'm sure 50% of people suffering that was mentioned.

On a quick look I think it's this one, but will correct later if not...

 
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kropotkin said:
Yes, you need to isolate for 10 days from the day you were with her. Sorry.
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PCR came back negative. But I'll do what I'm told.

The person I feel most sorry for is the work experience kid we had in, only with us for two weeks but was fully buzzing out at being in an office for the first time. I think a lot of us have forgotten what that feeling was like!

Unfortunately she sat with us at lunch. So she'll be finishing her work experience via Teams. This fucking thing has been so horribly cruel on young people starting out on their lives.
 
Latest figures from swab tests in the community suggest in England one in every 95 people has the virus - up from one in 160 in the previous week.

In Scotland, one in every 90 people is estimated to be infected, while in Northern Ireland it is one in 290 and in Wales one in 360.

The more infectious Delta variant accounts for almost every case.
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#worldbeating
 
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