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G20: Getting to the truth- the death of Ian Tomlinson RIP

The new footage released today shows Tomlinson asking to be let out of the kettle an hour earlier and being waved away. I can't see any way the cops can wriggle out of this one: he was assaulted and died as a result of that assault. And that fucking clown Dr Patel should have been struck off the medical register years ago.
 
Every time I see the footage of that fucking violent thug of an officer throwing an entirely peaceful Tomlinson to the floor as he was walking away, I feel sick.
 
You're not the only one Ed :(

And to think that the police deliberatly covered it up, makes it even worse. They truly are suprlus scum. And people wonder why some of us hate the polcie. There are still some cunts who think that Thomlison was "asking for it"

It defies belief.
 
Remember The Sun 'smear'?

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THE man who died during the G20 protest had a confrontation with cops 85 minutes before his fatal collapse, The Sun can reveal.

New photos show paper seller Ian Tomlinson - unsteady on his feet through booze - being shoved aside after he blocked a police van and refused to move.

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He was snapped wearing a Millwall football shirt and smoking a cigarette in the City of London's Lombard Street at 6.07pm last Wednesday - 1hr 25mins before he died.

He had clearly been drinking and was standing in the middle of the road blocking the path of a riot police van. An angry cop leaned out of the window and yelled at him to move out of the way.

At 6.09pm, after Mr Tomlinson ignored the warning, a group of riot police forced him on to the pavement.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article2368505.ece
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They claimed he'd been hanging around for ages, causing trouble.

Myself and others on here suggested that perhaps they'd just taken the timestamp from the photos and run the story, using the timings to make all sorts of accusations.

But the clocks had changed on Sunday and if the camera time hadn't been changed (still not changed my camera from this weekend actually) it would have made it look as though he was there an hour earlier - despite the reports from his boss as to when he left for home.

I contacted The Sun about this and got no response. I also forwarded this information to the IPCC.

Time for an apology from The Sun?

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http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/video/2011/mar/29/ian-tomlinson-inquiry-footage-video
 
I hate the one to say it as I was there to the left of him he wasn't entirely peaceful as I saw him trying to break into the kettle next to the RSB and he was held back. I'm not sure wheather he was using his Millwall image or whether the rumours that he was trying to get home is true. As he lived in London for a while and worked as a newspaper seller he must has know the side street etc... But the Policeto try and cover it up and blaming the protests sucks since the moment it started, to claim they didn't know what they were doing was in my view a complete lie. That's the big sticking point.
 
The witness list is here:

http://www.tomlinsoninquest.org.uk/Tomlinson/PublicMeetings/

Appearing today (amongst others) is Chief Superintendent Alex Robertson from City of London Police, Bronze Commander with operational control on the ground, who was in the area at the time if not a direct witness (and may have spoken with PC Simon Harwood either before or after (or both before and after) the Tomlinson assault).

Tomorrow includes evidence from PC Jon Bish, the City of London dog handler who 'approached' Ian Tomlinson with his dog (Max?) shortly before Harwood attacked Tomlinson.

Also appearing tomorrow is the Met's PC Steve Discombe, the veteran Forward Intelligence Team cop, who alongside PC Alan Palfrey (a part-time FIT cop who is a Camden-based borough officer) and other FIT police, TSG and Level IIs in the area, was a witness to the whole incident. For some reason Palfrey does not appear to have been called as a witness, despite being clearly visible in footage from the lead up to the assault, the assault itself and its aftermath.
 
editor said:
The new footage released today shows Tomlinson asking to be let out of the kettle an hour earlier and being waved away.
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He's not in the kettle at any point, he's trying to get through and then round it.

lopsidedbunny said:
I hate the one to say it as I was there to the left of him he wasn't entirely peaceful as I saw him trying to break into the kettle next to the RSB and he was held back.
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Care to be more exact, as he never got to the street where RBS is, can you point out where in the video of his movements he's trying to break into the kettle?

DaveCinzano said:
Appearing today (amongst others) is Chief Superintendent Alex Robertson from City of London Police, Bronze Commander with operational control on the ground
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He was only quoted, from a briefing.

Also appearing tomorrow is the Met's PC Steve Discombe, the veteran Forward Intelligence Team cop
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I expect he won't be up until Friday, only got through PS Shaw today - she was Harwood's Sergeant.
 
Thanks for the update Winjer.

Who are PCs Andrew Hayes and Alexander Jackaman?

And is the schedule likely to get pushed back much, is Harwood still likely to appear on Monday and Tuesday?
 
I believe they are the other drivers from Harwood's serial - their three vans were parked together on Cornhill.

Friday is reserved for catch-up, so Harwood should still appear then.
 
okay just got back home. spent the day at he inquest, will try and write up todays notes (apparently they're going up on the inquest website anyhow), but will be in court tomorrow.

Just a quick note on the witnesses today:
PC hayes. he was the copper who held the door open as harwood rammed the protestor's head against it. He spent most of the day explaining the role of a driver of a tsg van on day - which raises the question what the fuck was harwood (another driver of a tsg van) doing in full riot gear attacking protestors at threadneedle street.

The american businessman who filmed harwood actually striking tomlinson. He was excellent, refused to rise to the bait about tomlinson's apparent intoxication.

Star of the day was the witness to was the first on the scene to help tomlinson up after he'd been pushed over. Deserves a medal. Not least for the other stuff he got up to.

The narrative that seems to be emerging, for all sides, is - rogue cop, lost the chain of command, went off on one and the result is a dead passerby by. Will see how this develops. V tired up early. Will post full notes later
 
Look forward to that.

The witness schedule seems to have got backed up very quickly - is anyone going to make today's (Friday - the second anniversary of Ian Tomlinson's death) hearing? Quite a few interesting police witnesses, including protest policing specialist from the Forward Intelligence Team PC Steve Discombe, the City of London dog handler PC Jon Bish, and possibly two of the three coppers in riot gear who were closest to Harwood's assault on Tomlinson - all of whom were within touching distance at the time.
 
DaveCinzano said:
Look forward to that.

The witness schedule seems to have got backed up very quickly - is anyone going to make today's (Friday - the second anniversary of Ian Tomlinson's death) hearing? Quite a few interesting police witnesses, including protest policing specialist from the Forward Intelligence Team PC Steve Discombe, the City of London dog handler PC Jon Bish, and possibly two of the three coppers in riot gear who were closest to Harwood's assault on Tomlinson - all of whom were within touching distance at the time.
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Yes, I hope somebody can go and report back here.
 
discombe didn't give evidence. A statement by him was read out in court. It was short and contained little detail. He was actually present in the building but never called to answer questions at the inquest, which seems a little odd.
 
Bish the dog handler admitted he couldn't remember anything of the incident and his statement was given after seeing the footage therefore his evidence was based on recollecting the video footage rather than what he actually remembered first hand at the time.

Apparently went on holiday straight after the G20 therefore only made a statement to the police/ipcc 3 weeks after the incident and only after seeing the footage. It was never put to him if he made notes about the day in his evidence and action book. Maybe dog handlers aren't required to do so, but it was never put to him. Again a little odd.

Bish has 24 years in the police (7 years as a dog handler), still only a pc

The three closest to him in riot gear were all serial drivers from fulham (level 2, rather than tsg). Seems, like harwood, they got bored sitting in their vans and went out looking for a bit of action. Only 2 made the stand and both confused in terms of giving their evidence, which didn't quite tally with what was on the footage.
 
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