Fuck the Tory government

[Andrew Hertford]

i think you're a sad obsessive who should get out more. what boots it what i think about this? what's it fucking matter? i've asked you repeatedly not to engage with me on this subject: but back you come, time and again, like some sort of sad stalker. other people have said your behaviour shows you in a poor light. could you back the fuck off and consider your behaviour before giving me the apology i so richly deserve.

It's you who keeps on coming back for fuck's sake! You've made it clear you don't want to discuss the memorial or the racist abuse and I get that, so why are you still following me around?

And it was you who engaged with me first by the way by trying to tell me the memorial was something that it wasn't.

Let's leave it there.

 

[teqniq]

*loses the will to live*

 

[Santino]

*loses the will to live*

Will YOU condemn the 'will you condemn?' debating trick so beloved by Tories?

 

[J Ed]

That's it though, it isn't, it really isn't. We've got one person who daubed something on a monument and we've got one person who may have shouted something racist. I'm happy to condemn the former as stupid and the latter as a lot worse (if of course the comment was as it sounded/seemed). Beyond that, you've got austerity, regular death by atos/maximus and a tsunami of shit coming down over the next few years. You've also got a Labour Party who buy into the same ideas and were indeed in power when the deregulated investment banking system fucked us over (oh and were party to the deaths of a million or more people). Anyway, good on anybody who got involved in the demo and good on anybody willing to get stuck in over the next few years.

Yes, well this is 2015 where microaggressions are ruthlessly punished and stigmatised while macroaggressions are praised for punishing the undeserving

 

[rekil]

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there's other, better, footage of the incident flying about. Coppers had been trailing some black bloc kiddies, and a couple of coppers went into the crowd to try and pull them out, fail and every other copper piles into the crowd.

In terms of the guy shouting black bastard, did he have an irish accent (haven't got sound on my computer). In certain areas, especially northern ireland it's regarded as general term of abuse against the police and not supposed to be a racial insult or racially directed.

It's also a term of abuse for people descended from those who 'took the soup' and converted to protestantism in order to avail of food relief during the famine, and in some cases subsequently accumulated a lot of land from surrounding neighbours who were forced to sell up. I remember my mate telling me of one such family of snobs in his area known locally as the "black (Whatevs)" - Black man in Irish is "fear gorm" - "blue man".

 

[butchersapron]

Lol at the squirming and pathetic excuses. I’m just suggesting you condemn two acts which most people will find offensive.

Do you do anything else on other than invite people to condemn things? If so, can you just...well you've had many years to do something else, just go away?

 

[butchersapron]

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It's also a term of abuse for people descended from those who 'took the soup' and converted to protestantism in order to avail of food relief during the famine, and in some cases subsequently accumulated a lot of land from surrounding neighbours who were forced to sell up. I remember my mate telling me of one such family of snobs in his area known locally as the "black (Whatevs)" - Black man in Irish is "fear gorm" - "blue man".

there was a conversation on here in 2001 about this, not the same but at the use of of an undertstanding of.

 

[Spymaster]

You're just playing into his hands, this isn't a game and it isn't the school debating society where the winner wins a night out with matron. ...

Thanks.

My mum was a Wren, dad was RAF, and my son is a currently serving Royal Marine.

Stick your "debating society" right up your arse.

 

[Jeff Robinson]

Great article here. Largely sums up how I feel.

https://warwick4freeducation.wordpress.com/2015/05/10/reflections-on-fuckthetories/

 

[shifting gears]

Great article here. Largely sums up how I feel.

https://warwick4freeducation.wordpress.com/2015/05/10/reflections-on-fuckthetories/

Yeah - sums up the kind of bristling anger that I and no doubt many others are feeling. They may have a 5 year 'mandate' - but we've got one too. Time to stir shit right up.

 

[Casually Red]

Just a thought on that monument thing . Some years back at an anarchist demo in Dublin a few twat kids put anarchist slogans on the James Connolly statue . Place went ballistic . Day or 2 later a group of anarchists went down and cleaned it off . They also put the valid enough point if those people who wre going crackers cared about the statue so much why didn't they clean it instead of leaving it to others . Too late I'm sure to do anything about it now , but might be worth bearing in mind for the future if it happens again . A good photo op and publicity that would shut some people up . Prevent distractions .

 

[Pickman's model]

Yeah - sums up the kind of bristling anger that I and no doubt many others are feeling. They may have a 5 year 'mandate' - but we've got one too. Time to stir shit right up.

i believe the phrase is 'to fuck shit up'

 

[Spymaster]

Just a thought on that monument thing . Some years back at an anarchist demo in Dublin a few twat kids put anarchist slogans on the James Connolly statue . Place went ballistic . Day or 2 later a group of anarchists went down and cleaned it off . They also put the valid enough point if those people who wre going crackers cared about the statue so much why didn't they clean it instead of leaving it to others . Too late I'm sure to do anything about it now , but might be worth bearing in mind for the future if it happens again . A good photo op and publicity that would shut some people up . Prevent distractions .

Yeah. I used to get really wound up about people fucking about with war memorials. That tit swinging on the cenotaph would've got my boot up his arse if I were there, and I did start to get pissed off about this on the women's memorial. But for me, the motivation is what's important. People who desecrate Jewish graves, or graffiti mosques, should be nicked, but I think it's likely that whoever scrawled on the women's memorial simply saw it as a convenient surface. Probably didn't even know what it was.

 

[bi0boy]

Just a thought on that monument thing . Some years back at an anarchist demo in Dublin a few twat kids put anarchist slogans on the James Connolly statue . Place went ballistic . Day or 2 later a group of anarchists went down and cleaned it off . They also put the valid enough point if those people who wre going crackers cared about the statue so much why didn't they clean it instead of leaving it to others . Too late I'm sure to do anything about it now , but might be worth bearing in mind for the future if it happens again . A good photo op and publicity that would shut some people up . Prevent distractions .

Not going to happen here. In a race between the Westminster street cleansing teams and a bunch of organised anarchos there can only be one winner.

 

[Casually Red]

Yeah. I used to get really wound up about people fucking about with war memorials. That tit swinging on the cenotaph would've got my boot up his arse if I were there, and I did start to get pissed off about this on the women's memorial. But for me, the motivation is what's important. People who desecrate Jewish graves, or graffiti mosques, should be nicked, but I think it's likely that whoever scrawled on the women's memorial simply saw it as a convenient surface. Probably didn't even know what it was.

One twat with a spray can is an irritant .not the end of the world . But the opportunity it gives the scum to deflect and misdirect the coverage and the entire message of the protests , as well as causing divisions, should be impressed on everyone engaging in them beforehand .
The fact is whatever peoples opinions many ordinary people have a lot of reverence for those memorials . Anyone defacing one is being a twat and undermining the entire effort, handing penalty kicks to the scum .

In the meantime , new laws coming in making it seriously difficult to go on strike..legally...in the public sector . Tories want a ballot threshold that if applied to themselves would mean they weren't allowed in government . Meanwhile that massively annoying cunt boris Johnson is jokingly comparing his cabinet post to a zero hour contract..and pointing out that doesn't make it a proper job . Rubbing noses in it .

They aren't hanging about, that's for sure . Full steam ahead .

 

[Andrew Hertford]

Do you do anything else on other than invite people to condemn things? If so, can you just...well you've had many years to do something else, just go away?

That’s not what I was doing, I was inviting him to explain why he wouldn’t condemn them. If someone refuses to condemn acts of racism or vandalism then what’s wrong with asking them why?

 

[butchersapron]

That’s not what I was doing, I was inviting him to explain why he wouldn’t condemn them. If someone refuses to condemn acts of racism or vandalism then what’s wrong with asking them why?

I don't just invite people to condemn things, I also ask them why they don't.

 

[Pickman's model]

That’s not what I was doing, I was inviting him to explain why he wouldn’t condemn them. If someone refuses to condemn acts of racism or vandalism then what’s wrong with asking them why?

so much for "let's leave it there" you dishonest little shit.

 

[Santino]

That’s not what I was doing, I was inviting him to explain why he wouldn’t condemn them. If someone refuses to condemn acts of racism or vandalism then what’s wrong with asking them why?

Why won't you condemn the nauseating and despicable debating tactic, so beloved of the Conservative Party, of insisting people condemn things in order to distract attention from wider issues?

 

[Andrew Hertford]

I don't just invite people to condemn things, I also ask them why they don't.

...Which is what I just said.

 

[Casually Red]

I can understand someone's strong reluctance to engage in condemnation when there's a media bandwagon going full tilt against the protestors ,and a very understandable reluctance to be seen giving it any credence . When we all know it's a hypocritical distraction by the very same people cutting essential services for elderly, veterans etc . And an attempt to demonise all protestors .

My own take on it is it's unfortunate, better that it hadn't happened, but ultimately the work of one twat with a tin and not worth getting exercised about . And the lesser evil is simply to move on and not get overly hung up about it, which is what the scum want .

 

[Pickman's model]

...Which is what I just said.

oh do fuck off you pious cunt

 

[Andrew Hertford]

so much for "let's leave it there" you dishonest little shit.

oh do fuck off you pious cunt

I meant let's leave it there between you and me. So why are you still following me around like a demented puppy?

 

[Santino]

He still can't bring himself to condemn the likes of Cameron and Gove.

 

[Pickman's model]

I meant let's leave it there between you and me. So why are you still following me around like a demented puppy?

so you'll carry it on without me. you just proved how utterly dishonest and mendacious you are.

 

[Andrew Hertford]

He still can't bring himself to condemn the likes of Cameron and Gove.

What on Earth makes you say that? I've been condemning the tories and the right all my life, particularly Gove since 2010.

 

[Santino]

What on Earth makes you say that? I've been condemning the tories and the right all my life, particularly Gove since 2010.

And yet you refuse to condemn the vile and childish 'will you condemn?' rhetorical manoeuvre upon which they depend to prevent discussion of genuine policy differences.

 

[Santino]

Look at him squirming.

 

[Pickman's model]

What on Earth makes you say that? I've been condemning the tories and the right all my life, particularly Gove since 2010.

on the grounds they're not harsh enough no doubt

 

[Spymaster]

dishonest and mendacious

Aren't they the same?