Fuck the Tory government

[Casually Red]

Black and Tans? Still not a good thing to be shouting, quite obscure.

Actually it has a few origins ...black enamel bastard , black and amber bastard or just plain black bastard . There's a sect of Masonic Orangemen over here known as the black perceptory..who wear black sashes . Also the traditional colour of the RUC uniform and the B specials uniform was black too ...a very dark green that looked black .It can basically be interchanged between cops and loyalists in equal measure . In fact in its fullest sense it actually means " bigoted bastard " , ironically enough .

Idiotic to be shouting it in England obvs .

 

[Wilf]

I suspect Spymaster 's reading of it is more likely, though there's a chance it would be the Irish insult. Anyway, no obvious way of proving it.

 

[Casually Red]

Unlikely in the context I'd have thought .

 

[sunnysidedown]

I've stuck the headphones on and it goes a little something like this...

5.55 - Wankers
6.00 - Fucking Black Bastards
6.10 - Fucking Pig Cunt(s)
6.13 - You Fucking Black Bastards
Followed by lots of Scum, Scum up until around 7.02 when he shouts something twice that I can't understand.

Angry? yes, racist? no.

 

[shaman75]

 

[Andrew Hertford]

Brilliant.

There's another good answer for you Andrew Hertford. Are you a Tory supporter btw?

If you'd read my previous posts you would know I'm not a tory, I'm someone who's mum was one of the seven million honoured by the memorial.

 

[Andrew Hertford]

i did answer your fucking question you thick as pigshit pissed-up cunt. you just don't like the fucking answer. now fuck off.

Saying you're not going to answer a question because the person who asked it is "a piece of shit cunt" isn't the same as actually answering it.

 

[Andrew Hertford]

So we have someone desecrating a memorial to women workers and someone else shouting "Black bastard" at a black policeman.

Sometimes it's difficult to distinguish the crowd from the real enemy.

 

[Pickman's model]

Saying you're not going to answer a question because the person who asked it is "a piece of shit cunt" isn't the same as actually answering it.

i responded to your question, which is answering it. now return to under the stone from whence you wriggled.

 

[Pickman's model]

If you'd read my previous posts you would know I'm not a tory, I'm someone who's mum was one of the seven million honoured by the memorial.

your mum eh

 

[Andrew Hertford]

i responded to your question, which is answering it. now return to under the stone from whence you wriggled.

But you didn't answer it. Why can't you condemn the attack on the memorial? Everyone else on here can.

 

[Pickman's model]

But you didn't answer it. Why can't you condemn the attack on the memorial? Everyone else on here can.

i can tho. what makes you think i can't?

 

[Andrew Hertford]

i can tho. what makes you think i can't?

So tell us, do you condemn the attack on the memorial or not?

 

[Pickman's model]

So tell us, do you condemn the attack on the memorial or not?

are you sure you're not losing sleep over this? do you know how to keep a fool in suspense?

 

[Spymaster]

So tell us, do you condemn the attack on the memorial or not?

Give it a rest, ffs.

 

[Pickman's model]

Andrew Hertford i'll tell you next week

 

[Andrew Hertford]

are you sure you're not losing sleep over this? do you know how to keep a fool in suspense?

Someone vandalised a memorial to women workers of WW2 and someone else it now transpires shouted "black bastard" at a black police officer.

This is serious shit, so if your best response is to sneer and turn it into one of your public school games of one upmanship like the ones you probably used to play in the dorm after the lights went out then go ahead, but doing so merely shows you up to be the fool, not me.

 

[AC14]

OK, I get all that, but the point was that the Tories have more of a mandate than most others, and we know that UKIP voters are more likely to be in favour of the Tories than Labour.
As much of a mandate as can be given by an election has been given.

 

[shaman75]

So we have someone desecrating a memorial to women workers and someone else shouting "Black bastard" at a black policeman.

Sometimes it's difficult to distinguish the crowd from the real enemy.

Sometimes it's difficult to distinguish the crowd from society.

 

[Blagsta]

OK, I get all that, but the point was that the Tories have more of a mandate than most others, and we know that UKIP voters are more likely to be in favour of the Tories than Labour.
As much of a mandate as can be given by an election has been given.

Much of the ukip vote came from labour

 

[butchersapron]

OK, I get all that, but the point was that the Tories have more of a mandate than most others, and we know that UKIP voters are more likely to be in favour of the Tories than Labour.
As much of a mandate as can be given by an election has been given.

Leaving aside the logical and evidential problems of the start of your post, are you really suggesting no stronger possible mandate to govern has ever been and could ever be given?

 

[Libertad]

Someone vandalised a memorial to women workers of WW2 and someone else it now transpires shouted "black bastard" at a black police officer.

You would appear not to have read a series of posts made after you took to your bed last night.

 

[Pickman's model]

Someone vandalised a memorial to women workers of WW2 and someone else it now transpires shouted "black bastard" at a black police officer.

This is serious shit, so if your best response is to sneer and turn it into one of your public school games of one upmanship like the ones you probably used to play in the dorm after the lights went out then go ahead, but doing so merely shows you up to be the fool, not me.

is it serious shit? is it more serious than people topping themselves because of benefit cuts? is it more important than the beggaring of the nhs thru pfi? is it more important than anelectoral system that gives a party with 36% of the turnout more than 50% of the sests in parliament? get a fucking sense of perspective.

 

[Wilf]

So we have someone desecrating a memorial to women workers and someone else shouting "Black bastard" at a black policeman.

Sometimes it's difficult to distinguish the crowd from the real enemy.

That's it though, it isn't, it really isn't. We've got one person who daubed something on a monument and we've got one person who may have shouted something racist. I'm happy to condemn the former as stupid and the latter as a lot worse (if of course the comment was as it sounded/seemed). Beyond that, you've got austerity, regular death by atos/maximus and a tsunami of shit coming down over the next few years. You've also got a Labour Party who buy into the same ideas and were indeed in power when the deregulated investment banking system fucked us over (oh and were party to the deaths of a million or more people). Anyway, good on anybody who got involved in the demo and good on anybody willing to get stuck in over the next few years.

 

[Pickman's model]

anyway Andrew Hertford that's shut you up

 

[sunnysidedown]

We've got one person who daubed something on a monument and we've got one person who may have shouted something racist. I'm happy to condemn the former as stupid and the latter as a lot worse (if of course the comment was as it sounded/seemed).

with regards to the latter person, maybe this bit of dialogue at 4.44 could help clear a few things up.



or you could just check the rest of his YT channel to get feel of what he's about instead of continuing with the shock-horror of a few posters on this thread.

these are well worth watching btw.

 

[cesare]

I don't really care if it's a normal figure of speech on Mars - it's still fucking stupid in london.

 

[ViolentPanda]

No one knows what the fuck you're on about tbf. A memorial got sprayed, so fucking what?

What's important is remembering/the ACT of remembrance, not the pieces of stone or lumps of bronze that make up the memorials.
Those who mistake memorials for remembrance are...well, insert your own expletive. I'll go with "cunts".
<and...relax!>

 

[Wilf]

with regards to the latter person, maybe this bit of dialogue at 4.44 could help clear a few things up.



or you could just check the rest of his YT channel to get feel of what he's about instead of continuing with the shock-horror of a few posters on this thread.

these are well worth watching btw.

It was pretty obvious from the first video that the bloke has sound anticapitalist politics. Same time you can't ignore what he shouted. I'm happy to accept that in the context of what he believes and who he is it may well have been an innocent turn of phrase. Still leaves it as a deeply stupid thing to shout in London as Cesare said. Anyway, the more I get into the detail of what he shouted, the more I'm ignoring my point to Andrew H (about the bigger picture being what's important here).

 

[StoneRoad]

But for many, those lumps of stone or bronze act as a focus for their act of remembrance, so they are offended if said items are disrespected. A point of view that I can appreciate.