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Although for what it is worth I'm running with a theory of the possiblity of alternate futures - so Dimitri and Mrs D-to-be have experienced different possibilities of what their future might be, depending on whether he dies or not.

Because of paradoxes it is now impossible for the future flashes to be part of the same timeline. However, because we have seen some flash forwards effected by the investigation after the black out we know that the writers have not thought enough about the situation. Thus the show is just going to annoy the hell out of me because it is impossible.

If the flash forwards were changeable everyone, knowing the date, would be waiting for them to happen (watching TV, gathering for a FF party or sending themselves a message in the past). If they were not changeable everyone would see themselves waiting for the flash forward - Which of course would be an impossible paradox. Therefore the flash forwards would have to be of a world / timeline where the flash-forwards never happened. We know this isn't true because some people saw themselves investigating the flash forward. He is investigating what he saw in his flash forward, so he isn't and never did any actual investigating of anything.

It's fucking sloppy writing about something that could have been quite interesting.
 
I've stopped watching this already. :(

Potential's there but it's just not holding my interest. Kinda feel like I've seen it all before in Heroes and Lost.
 
It sounded to me like she was making it up. If they were in Hawaii it would not have been daylight would it?

So you think she was making it up as a convenient way to get her dream wedding 'ooh we've got to get married on a beach because I saw it!'. What if he'd turned round and said 'WTF, I saw us both slobbing on the sofa eating pizza!'

amyway, surely he could easily confirm her vision or his with some of their other friends/relatives? Speaking of which, why have his parents not had a ff in which they're grieving their son's death and contacted him about it?

The more you think about this, the shakier the whole premise becomes.
 
So you think she was making it up as a convenient way to get her dream wedding 'ooh we've got to get married on a beach because I saw it!'. What if he'd turned round and said 'WTF, I saw us both slobbing on the sofa eating pizza!'

amyway, surely he could easily confirm her vision or his with some of their other friends/relatives? Speaking of which, why have his parents not had a ff in which they're grieving their son's death and contacted him about it?

The more you think about this, the shakier the whole premise becomes.

Exactly. I thought she was making it up because she didn't have a vision either and was fishing for his.
This is not how people act. We know he want's to know what happens to him because we have seen him worried about it and even investigate it. One of his best leads might be in his wife's vision but he is not prepared to admit the truth to perhaps remedy the situation??? I would be asking every person I knew or might have hang out with if they saw me or anything about me.
Nobody knows anything about the phenomenon or if they are dreams, future visions or what, but nobody is talking about them???
There would be billions of people all over the world that would die between the event and the flash forward. A quick fucking google would sort a few things out, especially if that can find patterns of global crow population in 15 seconds.
Did people have visions but still died?
 
It's fucking sloppy writing about something that could have been quite interesting.

Yep. So sloppy I actually doubt they'll make it through to the season's end if Yuwipi's abc prediction is right

There's no point in getting into it. Its on ABC, they always cancel stuff after a couple eps.

That said, there was an article in The Guardian last week saying it was the fastest selling TV show of all time - due to it being broadcast at the same time every where - so the ad revenues'll probably keep it going if for nothing else.
 
If the flash forwards were changeable everyone, knowing the date, would be waiting for them to happen (watching TV, gathering for a FF party or sending themselves a message in the past). If they were not changeable everyone would see themselves waiting for the flash forward - Which of course would be an impossible paradox. Therefore the flash forwards would have to be of a world / timeline where the flash-forwards never happened. We know this isn't true because some people saw themselves investigating the flash forward. He is investigating what he saw in his flash forward, so he isn't and never did any actual investigating of anything.

It's fucking sloppy writing about something that could have been quite interesting.

I have a big problem with that, either no-one in the flashes should have been aware of the flashes or everyone should have. If no one had been aware of them the future was obviously not set. If they had been aware of them nobody would have been doing anything other than waiting for them.

Does anyone know if this was dealt with better in the book? I know the flashes in the book were 10 years in the future rather than 6 months, so that makes it all much less urgent.
 
I've stopped watching this already. :(

Potential's there but it's just not holding my interest. Kinda feel like I've seen it all before in Heroes and Lost.

I gave up on this last night. It's so fucking pedestrian and I just don't give a fuck about any of the characters. Three episodes in and it's slowed to a crawl when usually series like this begin to pick up after an initial 'explanatory' first ep or two. Won't be wasting another 20-odd hours of my life on this.
 
First episode just about held my interest.

Got 10 minutes into the 2nd episode and thought "Do I care? No, not really".

Painfully dull.
 
I gave up on this last night. It's so fucking pedestrian and I just don't give a fuck about any of the characters. Three episodes in and it's slowed to a crawl when usually series like this begin to pick up after an initial 'explanatory' first ep or two. Won't be wasting another 20-odd hours of my life on this.

Why they wasted most of the episode on the Nazi business (without addressing the obvious point that proving he was released only proved they released him, not that he had any useful knowledge) I have no idea.

I think i'm only sticking with it to see if and how they start to resolve some of the seeming holes in the plot
 
The nazi stuff was awesomely bad.

You'd have thought the American green light to release a WW2 nazi prisoner (possibly the last?) might have to come from Barack or Hilary at least, but apparently any alcoholic field officer has that kind of power.

Other big problems include Joseph Fiennes and his boss. They are sensationally poor actors, in this at least.
 
I have been quite enjoying this in a trash TV on a Monday night kind of way. I can ignore that fact none of it makes any real sense for a series. Hearing it is going on forever and and then another zillion series (what is the plural of series?) is very offputting.
 
I'm quite enjoying this so far - think I will persevere for a while and see where it goes :)

the one thing I'm finding annoying is that nobody seems to be trying to change anything.

like the dude who is doing the investigation - he doesn't want him and his wife to split up, right - so why the hell is he sticking all the stuff on the board in exactly the same place as he saw it in his FF - WHY?!?!?! surely he'd want to challenge teh system?! i don't get that...
 
I was a bit sceptical about this after the first ep - 'Lost all over again' syndrome.

But I read that it gets much better as it goes on so I watched the second episode. And the thought struck me that the reason that people say it gets much better as it goes on is because everyone who doesn't like it stops watching it. If that makes sense. Cos it doesn't seem to be getting better to me.
 
But I read that it gets much better as it goes on so I watched the second episode. And the thought struck me that the reason that people say it gets much better as it goes on is because everyone who doesn't like it stops watching it. If that makes sense. Cos it doesn't seem to be getting better to me.
They'll be a sociological phrase for that and I wish I knew what it was.
 
like the dude who is doing the investigation - he doesn't want him and his wife to split up, right - so why the hell is he sticking all the stuff on the board in exactly the same place as he saw it in his FF - WHY?!?!?! surely he'd want to challenge teh system?! i don't get that...

He did burn his friendship bracelet.
You could argue that he wants the board to look the same to help him remember. I doubt this is true though, we get such heavy handed 'reasoning' and recaps for everything that I don't think you could possibly miss or speculate about much.
 
He did burn his friendship bracelet.
You could argue that he wants the board to look the same to help him remember. I doubt this is true though, we get such heavy handed 'reasoning' and recaps for everything that I don't think you could possibly miss or speculate about much.

oh yeah, I forgot about the bracelet... hmmm, bet his daughter churns another one out before long :hmm:
 
surely the collective noun for crows is a murder?

It is, I thought that's why the Nazi made the joke to the customs guy, 'I'm here because of a murder [of crows]'


It's really trying for that Lost vibe, but doesn't seem to be hitting it, it's not mysterious enough or clever enough. I'm hoping that at least 90% of what's on matey's board is meaningless shit because he saw it on there and so he put it on there, a little circular paradox, but of course that won't happen.

I think I'll let the downloads backup and see if you lot think it's got any better...
 
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