Urban75 Home About Offline BrixtonBuzz Contact

Fat White Family & various offshoot bands (Moonlandingz, Insecure Men, Warmduscher, Pregoblin etc)

butchersapron said:
I wanted you to ask him if it happened as you speculated or not. And if not, what did happen. And more to get you to actually take this seriously rather than of any hope of an answer - after all, if as you hope, this is all some daft mix-up (which i'd be very happy to hear) then taking one small step towards clearing it up has to be helpful right? I think i asked you to inquire the day before yesterday.
Click to expand...
ok saul replied within about half an hour. like i said i did not tell him my speculation, just asked him what happened and if he said what talulah said (i can post up my message to him if you want). pretty sure this is the first time he has been asked that directly. his reply:
yeah ive seen this... thought it was best to stay out of it... i did say what they think i said but i was doing an impression of a racist hillbilly .. taken out of context it seems bad
Click to expand...

tallulahj or anyone else from the grosvenor/who was there is reading please feel free to point out if any of what is said here isn't true.

edit: just tagging other people who i remember have were curious about this during the thread (and haven't already replied): classicdish killer b Lo Siento. andysays cesare MrsDarlingsKiss salem
 
Last edited:
All's well that ends well then.









Hot-Fuzz-head-slide-gif.gif
 
So at best he has a bizarre and inappropriate sense of humour. At worst he's making this shit up to avoid further opprobrium. I'm gonna go for something in between.
 
redsquirrel said:
On what basis are you making this claim? This is the second time you've made this claim and you didn't answer me last time I asked.
Click to expand...

Oh god do I have to look back at the beginning of this thread to find the quote? Yipes, ok I will try a little bit later when I have some time, but that's where I saw it. Someone who was not there (I forget peoples names) described what they were told by a member of the bar staff (who I think was there are the time).
 
Yelkcub said:
28 pages. No denial from his acquaintances or manager. The rest is just noise. Probably said it. Probably a racist twat or someone who thinks pretending to be is going to get attention. Why would anyone want to see the band? Fuck that.
Click to expand...

See my earlier post.
Why is he 100% a racist?
Even you said 'probably'. I don't think there is enough to go on to be so gung ho.


. . . . and Sauls actual quote above (when asked directly) seems to cover exactly how I might have imagined (in my previous post) how the quote could be be taken out of context.

Now of course you can all say "I think he is lying", but you don't know him, and you have nothing to base that on. The fact that in the real world this was all resolved ages ago makes this thread look like a sad joke.
 
Last edited:
ATOMIC SUPLEX said:
See my earlier post.
Why is he 100% a racist?
Even you said 'probably'. I don't think there is enough to go on to be so gung ho.


. . . . and Sauls actual quote above (when asked directly) seems to cover exactly how I might have imagined (in my previous post) how the quote could be be taken out of context.

Now of course you can all say "I think he is lying", but you don't know him, and you have nothing to base that on. The fact that in the real world this was all resolved ages ago makes this thread look like a sad joke.
Click to expand...
tallulahj said: ↑
No, but considering a trusted staff member (who is about to be promoted to manager), several regulars, and the landlord felt like kicking his head in, i feel inclined to trust their version of events.

Didnt sound like a joke to me - casual racism is serious - in fact the attempted downplaying of it is more serious than what was said, in my opinion

(post edited slightly)
 
Last edited:
ska invita said:
you may find casual racism a joke, to me its serious - in fact the attempted downplaying of it is more serious than what was said, in my opinion
Click to expand...
where i have i or atomic suplex said either of us find it a joke? take that lie back. right now.

edit: thanks for your edit. let's wait and see anyone from the grosvenor/who was there confirm/deny saul's account.
 
ska invita said:
tallulahj said: ↑
No, but considering a trusted staff member (who is about to be promoted to manager), several regulars, and the landlord felt like kicking his head in, i feel inclined to trust their version of events.

Didnt sound like a joke to me - casual racism is serious - in fact the attempted downplaying of it is more serious than what was said, in my opinion

(post edited slightly)
Click to expand...

. . . but nobody was 100% sure what he was saying. Just because they felt like kicking his head in at the time does not make anybody right.
I wasn't there, neither were you, nobody who ever posted on this thread was, nobody ever heard exactly what he was babbling on about 100% clearly.
I don't think setting up a lynch mob is a very good idea.
As I have said before, he could have been acting like the biggest racist dickhead ever, but we simply don't know if he was or not.
Saul's explanation seems plausible enough, and in the light of no other no other information shouldn't we give him the benefit of the doubt?
I am not defending people being dickheads in pubs or casual racism, but I am suggesting that casual racism might not have even taken place (there was almost certainly some dickheadary).
To accuse, in the way this thread has done, without any direct evidence sets a dangerous president, one that I think is just as bad as suggesting that flippant racisam can be dismissed as "hey it was only a joke mate". It's how misguided lynch mobs start, and I don't think it's fair.


ska invita said:
Didnt sound like a joke to me -
Click to expand...

It didn't sound like a joke to you, but in actual fact it didn't sound like anything to you because you didn't hear it.
I also don't appreciate the insinuation that I do think casual racism is a joke that can be easily brushed aside. It isn't, and is something that I encounter more than I would like in rearguards to my direct family. "Hey I was only making a joke, lighten up", I hear it way too much.

ska invita said:
casual racism is serious - in fact the attempted downplaying of it is more serious than what was said, in my opinion

(post edited slightly)
Click to expand...
More serious than what was said? Even though nobody here heard what was said, nobody at all clearly heard what was said, and it could easily have been taken out of context (and was according to Saul)
Misguided? Dickhead? Yes probably.

I am getting sick and tired of being told that I am making excuses for racists.
Casual racism is serious, I am not downplaying it.
But wading in with "so and so said something to so and so about what so and so said" . . . you've got to be kidding me?

You would rather go with the version of events of the bar staff? Even though that is all hearsay on this thread, the whole matter was resolved to their satisfaction ages ago.
I thought you were going to go with their version of events?
 
And as if by magic...

ATOMIC SUPLEX said:
. . . but nobody was 100% sure what he was saying. Just because they felt like kicking his head in at the time does not make anybody right.
I wasn't there, neither were you, nobody who ever posted on this thread was, nobody ever heard exactly what he was babbling on about 100% clearly.
I don't think setting up a lynch mob is a very good idea.
As I have said before, he could have been acting like the biggest racist dickhead ever, but we simply don't know if he was or not.
Saul's explanation seems plausible enough, and in the light of no other no other information shouldn't we give him the benefit of the doubt?
I am not defending people being dickheads in pubs or casual racism, but I am suggesting that casual racism might not have even taken place (there was almost certainly some dickheadary).
To accuse, in the way this thread has done, without any direct evidence sets a dangerous president, one that I think is just as bad as suggesting that flippant racisam can be dismissed as "hey it was only a joke mate". It's how misguided lynch mobs start, and I don't think it's fair.




It didn't sound like a joke to you, but in actual fact it didn't sound like anything to you because you didn't hear it.
I also don't appreciate the insinuation that I do think casual racism is a joke that can be easily brushed aside. It isn't, and is something that I encounter more than I would like in rearguards to my direct family. "Hey I was only making a joke, lighten up", I hear it way too much.


More serious than what was said? Even though nobody here heard what was said, nobody at all clearly heard what was said, and it could easily have been taken out of context (and was according to Saul)
Misguided? Dickhead? Yes probably.

I am getting sick and tired of being told that I am making excuses for racists.
Casual racism is serious, I am not downplaying it.
But wading in with "so and so said something to so and so about what so and so said" . . . you've got to be kidding me?

You would rather go with the version of events of the bar staff? Even though that is all hearsay on this thread, the whole matter was resolved to their satisfaction ages ago.
I thought you were going to go with their version of events?
Click to expand...

...the shopkeeper appeared.

Totally missin the point and trying to misrepresent everyone else.
Damage limitation...
 
I'm happy - given no challenges to it - to accept sauls' explanation of what happened. Sounds plausible and, given that they are pretty obviously not racist, fits with that as well. Atomic suplex needs to get up to date.
 
butchersapron said:
I'm happy - given no challenges to it - to accept sauls' explanation of what happened. Sounds plausible and given that they are pretty obviously not racist fits with that as well.
Click to expand...
cheers. your fairness is appreciated. i'd love if someone from the grosvenor cd come and confirm too but i got no contacts there.

bamalama needs to get up to date too!
 
rutabowa said:
cheers. your fairness is appreciated. i'd love if someone from the grosvenor cd come and confirm too but i got no contacts there.

bamalama needs to get up to date too!
Click to expand...
What that you finally asked your mate about the incident in question,and he finally gave you an answer( which you relayed to us),after leaving you hangin and watching you make a fool of yourself here for days ?Fair play...With mates like that...
 
rutabowa said:
cheers. your fairness is appreciated. i'd love if someone from the grosvenor cd come and confirm too but i got no contacts there.

bamalama needs to get up to date too!
Click to expand...
No worries, you're not suggesting that bamalama and other posters have been dishonest though. They really haven't been.
 
ATOMIC SUPLEX said:
Oh god do I have to look back at the beginning of this thread to find the quote? Yipes, ok I will try a little bit later when I have some time, but that's where I saw it. Someone who was not there (I forget peoples names) described what they were told by a member of the bar staff (who I think was there are the time).
Click to expand...
I can't see any post where tallulahj mentioned any "incoherent babble" - this was just made up by you.

rutabowa said:
ok saul replied within about half an hour. like i said i did not tell him my speculation, just asked him what happened and if he said what talulah said (i can post up my message to him if you want). pretty sure this is the first time he has been asked that directly. his reply:


tallulahj or anyone else from the grosvenor/who was there is reading please feel free to point out if any of what is said here isn't true.
Click to expand...
Thanks for asking him. Like BA I'm prepared to accept that explanation (unless contradicted later).
 
rutabowa said:
gabi has been proven to be a liar and a hypocrite and acknowledged as such by both sides of this thread (as well as being totally fucked in the head) so it is probably best if everyone ignores him. Tho it is trickier admittedly if you're the one being slandered
Click to expand...

Sorry - how am i a liar? You're licking the brown stuff out of the bum of a racist prick. Does that make you a racist then?
 
ATOMIC SUPLEX said:
Ha, oh jesus wept.

Way to even miss that simple and plainly spelt out point Gabi.
This is perhaps an indication of who is being dealt with here.
Click to expand...

What does this post even mean? Who is being dealt with here? The racist in the band? The manager wheeled out to deny he's a racist? The idiots posting up here who blindly support said racist because they're apparently in awe of them, yourself included?
 
bamalama said:
What that you finally asked your mate about the incident in question
Click to expand...
I asked on thursday morning, within 4 days of it being first suggested that I ask and within 2 days of me promising "I'll do it within a week"
bamalama said:
and he finally gave you an answer( which you relayed to us),after leaving you hangin and watching you make a fool of yourself here for days ?Fair play...With mates like that...
Click to expand...
Saul answered within 20 minutes of me asking the question. I can post a screenshot if you would like proof. As far as I know it is the first time anyone has asked him directly. So really what you say in this post is... not the truth.

Anyway back on the topic. Do you accept that Saul's account of what happened at the grosvenor is most likely true, given the current evidence? yes or no.
 
He was barred from the Grosvenor on the grounds of using hugely racist language. Overheard by several members of staff. I'd say it's true.
 
ATOMIC SUPLEX said:
See my earlier post.
Why is he 100% a racist?
Even you said 'probably'. I don't think there is enough to go on to be so gung ho.


. . . . and Sauls actual quote above (when asked directly) seems to cover exactly how I might have imagined (in my previous post) how the quote could be be taken out of context.

Now of course you can all say "I think he is lying", but you don't know him, and you have nothing to base that on. The fact that in the real world this was all resolved ages ago makes this thread look like a sad joke.
Click to expand...

Where's the 100% come from? I used probable for the very reason I couldn't be sure.

Even less sure now, but I'd be completely sure if his manager, who must have spoken to him about it had proffered that context when he posted. Now, we've got a third party who wasn't there suggesting,in this thread, a context in which the quote may be less unpalatable, and after that, him confirming that was exactly the context.
 
Yelkcub said:
Where's the 100% come from? I used probable for the very reason I couldn't be sure.

Even less sure now, but I'd be completely sure if his manager, who must have spoken to him about it had proffered that context when he posted. Now, we've got a third party who wasn't there suggesting,in this thread, a context in which the quote may be less unpalatable, and after that, him confirming that was exactly the context.
Click to expand...

Oh for goodness sake, I didn't say you said he was 100% a racist.
You decided that he was 'probably a racist' based on weak hearsay. You then go on to make another assumption based on that assumption 'Probably a racist twat or someone who thinks pretending to be is going to get attention.'

I was saying that a 'probably' based on hearsay is not enough to condemn.
 
Yelkcub said:
Now, we've got a third party who wasn't there suggesting,in this thread, a context in which the quote may be less unpalatable, and after that, him confirming that was exactly the context.
Click to expand...
i have also tagged the person from the pub who was on this thread, asking if it was true. To be clear, i never suggested that context to the guy; i just thought it was the most likely explanation, given that he was quickly unbarred and is now hosting a show at the very same pub. it would be a total coincidence if what I thought was most likely to be true actually turned out to be true.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Similar threads

R
Oasis – popularity with young men
Replies
1
Views
135
farmerbarleymow
farmerbarleymow
editor
Tips for bands and promoters
Replies
27
Views
520
ska invita
ska invita
Humberto
The Carter Family
Replies
2
Views
172
Humberto
Humberto
K
What is the future of professional music making?
2 3
Replies
70
Views
1K
souljacker
souljacker
savoloysam
Unpopular Bands - An Amnesty
Replies
4
Views
275
ATOMIC SUPLEX
ATOMIC SUPLEX
Back
Top Bottom