F1 2020
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spitfire
Walty McWaltface
And... the session is red flagged again... due to a dog on the track.
Is it the same dog as Turkey?
spitfire
Walty McWaltface
Or is it Lewis' dog?
Limejuice
Well-Known Member
It looks familiar...
Limejuice
Well-Known Member
No, Hammy's pooch is a Gladstone Bag-shaped sack of drool and teeth.
And it certainly couldn't leg it like the Bahrain barkster.
spitfire
Walty McWaltface
MrCurry
right after this urgent rest
Holy moly - Albon's had a big departure from the black stuff.
Both right corners are toast.
Red flag.
I haven’t seen the crash, but I’ll guess that he’s pushing too hard in the vain hope of somehow bringing out something special this weekend to save his drive. Sad if it’s that.
Limejuice
Well-Known Member
Yes, the Sky commentators were all saying he was pushing too hard, having a lot to prove.
They were unpicking the psychology of a driver in his position, who's made an expensive cock-up, and were speculating on the actual cost of re-building his car. £650k to £1m, apparently.
Indeliblelink
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Here's the footage of the Albon crash.
spitfire
Walty McWaltface
MrCurry
right after this urgent rest
Yes. Another young driver chewed up and soon to be spat out from that team. They've surely got to look into what they’re doing wrong. Maybe instead of being just a stopgap measure, taking a Hulk or Perez or similar to fill the second seat could be the right strategy going forwards.
So did I? Have I missed it?
souljacker
innit
No, we're in q2 with a red flag
I have issues with you sir
MrCurry
right after this urgent rest
I didn’t even notice! My issue wasn’t missing the start, but the end. Wife came and switched it off, then threw a washing basket and advent calendar at me...I have issues with you sir
1%er
Well-Known Member
What we don't really know is how much Lewis puts in with the development of the car, I bet his feedback has added well over a second a lap for the team, people say "Lewis only wins because he is in the fastest car" but how much work has he put into that Mercedes car to make it the fastest, that is always my response regarding comments about Mercedes having the fastest car.
MrCurry
right after this urgent rest
This is a key point. Look at how McLaren’s performance declined after he left and how Merc went from strength to strength. Of course it’s not just Lewis’s input which strengthend the mercedes car, but I think he’s a much smarter guy than he’s given credit for.
Limejuice
Well-Known Member
It seems that Sky's very own F1 schedule was wrong.I have issues with you sir
Shakes fist at Sky.
It's now showing the race at 14:10 tomorrow.
spitfire
Walty McWaltface
He went into it a bit with the post race interview out the back of the garage after the big team photo last race. How he was able to talk to the engineers about aspects of the car and how he'd grown into it over the years and could make a discernible difference to the car with his feedback.
He's a very smart guy.
1%er
Well-Known Member
Have Red Bull and Ferrari given up
First we had Red Bull asking for an engine freeze and now Ferrari and Red Bull are asking for an engine performance convergence system, what the fuck is going on. This is what Toto thinks. Toto Wolff says Mercedes would back an early engine freeze, but the team is firmly against Ferrari's proposal for an engine performance convergence system. Mercedes boss Toto Wolff has warned that the introduction of engine performance balancing would mark the “beginning of the end” for Formula 1, adding it would be a “humiliation” which manufacturers should not accept.
Both Red Bull and Ferrari have suggested that F1 should introduce a system for power unit performance convergence in 2022 as part of a complex debate over Red Bull’s push to bring forward an engine development freeze so it could take over Honda’s power units and avoid the high costs of upgrading. Ferrari boss Mattia Binotto said on Friday at the Bahrain Grand Prix that the team would now support an engine freeze, but along with Red Bull chief Christian Horner, insisted that power unit convergence is important to ensure teams cannot take any advantage of the freeze. But while Mercedes is in favour of an early engine freeze, team principal Wolff stressed he saw no difference in the converge idea to the Balance of Performance method that is used across sportscars, GTs and touring cars to help equal out the competitiveness between different cars.
"I don't see any difference. I think this would be the beginning of the end [of F1]," Wolff said. "The power unit is not only measured by the sheer max power, but it is subject to drivability, to weight, to cooling, and introducing a simple formula that fits all isn't possible and it’s not something that Mercedes would endorse.” Wolff highlighted Ferrari have also boasted very strong power units in recent seasons and argued that Mercedes had to respond to that threat by pushing the limits of development for improvements without the aid of additional help.
“If you recall, we had a tokens system in the past when the regulations came out. And because some of our colleagues wished the tokens to be removed in order to catch up, we agreed to a removal of the tokens,” Wolff explained. "Now some of our colleagues come back with a system of convergence, which honestly said, it is a bit of an insult when you look at the last few years, and the development of performances in the engine. Ferrari was clearly the most powerful engine in 2018, and by far the best in 2019. And we developed our engine, we continued to push the boundaries, and we brought something to the track in 2020 that we were hoping would catch up. That's why I cannot comprehend that any car manufacturer that trusts in its abilities to develop a power unit and a chassis would want some kind of mechanism that would balance the power units out. I don't think anybody would accept such a humiliation in public.”
https://www.crash.net/f1/images/m253032jpg
Wolff also pointed out that similar performance equalisers have not worked well in other categories including the DTM - which Mercedes quit at the end of the 2018 season. “I’ve seen it in DTM where weights were introduced based on your performances,” he said. “The only thing we heard after the races or after qualifying was ‘well, I would have qualified on pole if I wouldn’t have had five kilos in the car’. And that was the whole narrative of the DTM season. So Formula 1 must stay very, very far away from that or we end up in GTs where you design power units for the sole topic of manipulating the system.”
While Mercedes would be willing to drop its plans to introduce new E10 fuel as part of an engine freeze, Wolff said the German manufacturer would firmly reject any form of convergence mechanism. “We won’t do Balance of Performance because as I said before, that is not in the interest of any car manufacturer, nor Formula 1 nor the drivers,” he added. “This is a meritocracy and it was always a meritocracy.”
First we had Red Bull asking for an engine freeze and now Ferrari and Red Bull are asking for an engine performance convergence system, what the fuck is going on. This is what Toto thinks. Toto Wolff says Mercedes would back an early engine freeze, but the team is firmly against Ferrari's proposal for an engine performance convergence system. Mercedes boss Toto Wolff has warned that the introduction of engine performance balancing would mark the “beginning of the end” for Formula 1, adding it would be a “humiliation” which manufacturers should not accept.
Both Red Bull and Ferrari have suggested that F1 should introduce a system for power unit performance convergence in 2022 as part of a complex debate over Red Bull’s push to bring forward an engine development freeze so it could take over Honda’s power units and avoid the high costs of upgrading. Ferrari boss Mattia Binotto said on Friday at the Bahrain Grand Prix that the team would now support an engine freeze, but along with Red Bull chief Christian Horner, insisted that power unit convergence is important to ensure teams cannot take any advantage of the freeze. But while Mercedes is in favour of an early engine freeze, team principal Wolff stressed he saw no difference in the converge idea to the Balance of Performance method that is used across sportscars, GTs and touring cars to help equal out the competitiveness between different cars.
"I don't see any difference. I think this would be the beginning of the end [of F1]," Wolff said. "The power unit is not only measured by the sheer max power, but it is subject to drivability, to weight, to cooling, and introducing a simple formula that fits all isn't possible and it’s not something that Mercedes would endorse.” Wolff highlighted Ferrari have also boasted very strong power units in recent seasons and argued that Mercedes had to respond to that threat by pushing the limits of development for improvements without the aid of additional help.
“If you recall, we had a tokens system in the past when the regulations came out. And because some of our colleagues wished the tokens to be removed in order to catch up, we agreed to a removal of the tokens,” Wolff explained. "Now some of our colleagues come back with a system of convergence, which honestly said, it is a bit of an insult when you look at the last few years, and the development of performances in the engine. Ferrari was clearly the most powerful engine in 2018, and by far the best in 2019. And we developed our engine, we continued to push the boundaries, and we brought something to the track in 2020 that we were hoping would catch up. That's why I cannot comprehend that any car manufacturer that trusts in its abilities to develop a power unit and a chassis would want some kind of mechanism that would balance the power units out. I don't think anybody would accept such a humiliation in public.”
https://www.crash.net/f1/images/m253032jpg
Wolff also pointed out that similar performance equalisers have not worked well in other categories including the DTM - which Mercedes quit at the end of the 2018 season. “I’ve seen it in DTM where weights were introduced based on your performances,” he said. “The only thing we heard after the races or after qualifying was ‘well, I would have qualified on pole if I wouldn’t have had five kilos in the car’. And that was the whole narrative of the DTM season. So Formula 1 must stay very, very far away from that or we end up in GTs where you design power units for the sole topic of manipulating the system.”
While Mercedes would be willing to drop its plans to introduce new E10 fuel as part of an engine freeze, Wolff said the German manufacturer would firmly reject any form of convergence mechanism. “We won’t do Balance of Performance because as I said before, that is not in the interest of any car manufacturer, nor Formula 1 nor the drivers,” he added. “This is a meritocracy and it was always a meritocracy.”
a_chap
When the world came apart, where were you?
I hate the idea of "equivalence" rules.
Formula should be about letting brilliant, creative engineers be brilliant and creative.
I want to see a car like this...
...racing against a car like this:
And rules bent to breaking point like this...
...and this:
I'd even scrap the one driver per car rule.
You should be able to race with a spare diver!
Formula should be about letting brilliant, creative engineers be brilliant and creative.
I want to see a car like this...
...racing against a car like this:
And rules bent to breaking point like this...
...and this:
I'd even scrap the one driver per car rule.
You should be able to race with a spare diver!
