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Extreme meat eating...

as far as extreme meat eating....no.

however, this silly thing of equating low carb or plant/protein based diets with eating tons of unhealthy processed meats is pretty tiresome and ignorant. please just don't :( :D
What other source of protein do these Atkins people go for then ?

Lean chicken ? whey isolate. ?

All my research so far shows powering your body from protein and fat is a bad idea.
I just removed the tofu from my lunchtime soup - protein I don't need.

Bad enough that someone would do this once in desperation to shift some weight, but thousands of people have been living this way for decades - especially in the USA.
 
Low carb, high protein diets,Have they?

Apparently. There are quite a few on Urban.

Of course a sizeable chunk of the population are on high everything.

I have to say that the "eat as many carbs as you like" gurus like McDougall are largely dealing with people who are seriously obese to start with.. so as in one experiment, making subjects eat 12 slices of bread per day made them lose weight - by displacement of other foods.

Butif you want to be properly scared, it's worth checking out some of his videos featuring the testimony of not actually overweight people who were advised by fitness trainers to go low carb ...

 
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Gout is increasingly being linked to sugar (carb) consumption, not purine containing foods (meat, calciferous veg, etc).

I hadn't seen that, quite surprising. Anecdotal rather than scientific, but I can link both my attacks of gout to heavy consumption of high purine foods. Since dropping the highest purine culprits from my diet (eliminated marmite and pate, reduced beer and processed meat) I've yet to have even the slightest twinge.

I only drink fizzy drinks about three times a year and don't eat sweets/chocolate/anything containing fructose often and haven't for many years. All my experiences with gout have been since I stopped being vegetarian and the further I go back towards a veggie diet the fewer problems I've experienced.
 
I hadn't seen that, quite surprising. Anecdotal rather than scientific, but I can link both my attacks of gout to heavy consumption of high purine foods. Since dropping the highest purine culprits from my diet (eliminated marmite and pate, reduced beer and processed meat) I've yet to have even the slightest twinge.

I only drink fizzy drinks about three times a year and don't eat sweets/chocolate/anything containing fructose often and haven't for many years. All my experiences with gout have been since I stopped being vegetarian and the further I go back towards a veggie diet the fewer problems I've experienced.
There's plenty of fructose in fruits and veg:

Food Serving size Grams of fructose
Raisins 1 cup 43.04
Figs, dried 1 cup 34.17
Prune 1 cup, pitted 21.66
Apricots, dried 1 cup, halves 16.21
Mangos 1 fruit w/o refuse 15.72

Cabbage 1 head, medium (about 5-3/4" dia) 13.17
Cabbage, red 1 head, medium (about 5" dia) 12.42
Eggplant 1 eggplant, unpeeled (about 1-1/4 lb) 8.44
Onions, sweet 1 onion 6.69
Rutabagas 1 medium 6.21
Cauliflower 1 head medium (5-6" dia.) 5.7

Miso 1 cup 16.5
Baked beans, canned, plain or vegetarian 1 cup 3.96
Baked beans, canned, with pork and sweet sauce 1 cup 3.26
Baked beans, canned, with pork and tomato sauce 1 cup 2.53
 
I hadn't seen that, quite surprising. Anecdotal rather than scientific, but I can link both my attacks of gout to heavy consumption of high purine foods. Since dropping the highest purine culprits from my diet (eliminated marmite and pate, reduced beer and processed meat) I've yet to have even the slightest twinge.
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In my case it was an early summer overkill of sardines and taramasalata ...
I recently worked my way through a tub of nutritional yeast and seem to have come through unscathed ... and I have yeast extract twice a week for breakfast.

But if fructose is now considered a factor, my current diet has eliminated that.
 
There's plenty of fructose in fruits and veg:

Food Serving size Grams of fructose
Raisins 1 cup 43.04
Figs, dried 1 cup 34.17
Prune 1 cup, pitted 21.66
Apricots, dried 1 cup, halves 16.21
Mangos 1 fruit w/o refuse 15.72

Cabbage 1 head, medium (about 5-3/4" dia) 13.17
Cabbage, red 1 head, medium (about 5" dia) 12.42
Eggplant 1 eggplant, unpeeled (about 1-1/4 lb) 8.44
Onions, sweet 1 onion 6.69
Rutabagas 1 medium 6.21
Cauliflower 1 head medium (5-6" dia.) 5.7

Miso 1 cup 16.5
Baked beans, canned, plain or vegetarian 1 cup 3.96
Baked beans, canned, with pork and sweet sauce 1 cup 3.26
Baked beans, canned, with pork and tomato sauce 1 cup 2.53

In the same way people have started to realise how bad smoothies can be for you its not just about what food breaks down to in terms of grams of fructose and sugars and vitamins but in the way those nutrients get into the body that can cause issues.
 
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It's a sign of how inconclusive the evidence is, that most diets can be justified.

Can't remember the name of the big Oxford study. It basically came to the conclusion that a standard balanced diet of fairly normal stuff without excessive quantities was fine and that any variation was just tinkering with percentages here and there.
 
In the same way people have started to realise how bad smoothies can be for you its not just about what food breaks down to in terms of grams of fructose and sugars and vitamins but in the way those nutrients get into the body that can cause issues.
i.e no satiety - 500 kcals down the neck and you don't clock it,. An hour or so later and you bonk because your insulin has gone bananas.
A shame no one pointed this out to me on group cycle rides when I would swig juice at rest stops.

Oddly though there ARE people out there who DO appear to thrive on sugar.
 
It's a sign of how inconclusive the evidence is, that most diets can be justified.

Can't remember the name of the big Oxford study. It basically came to the conclusion that a standard balanced diet of fairly normal stuff without excessive quantities was fine and that any variation was just tinkering with percentages here and there.

Exactly, nearly every study points towards eating what you already know is healthy and cutting out what you already know is unhealthy, and doing a bit of exercise.
 
Exactly, nearly every study points towards eating what you already know is healthy and cutting out what you already know is unhealthy, and doing a bit of exercise.
Sorry if it looks like I'm singling your posts out today, but I don't think this is right ^^

A lot of 'conventional wisdom' regarding food is being challenged lately. Eggs don't cause cholesterol, fat doesn't make you fat and saturated fat doesn't clog your arteries, etc., etc. This is all stuff people have 'known' for years but it turns out the science is completely wrong.

Eggs? Eat as many as you want. Fat? Fill your boots.

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Michael Mosley has become pro- saturated_fat now - I haven't started to deconstruct that yet - but trans-fats in margarine were apparently a bad idea.
 
Sorry if it looks like I'm singling your posts out today, but I don't think this is right ^^

A lot of 'conventional wisdom' regarding food is being challenged lately. Eggs don't cause cholesterol, fat doesn't make you fat and saturated fat doesn't clog your arteries, etc., etc. This is all stuff people have 'known' for years but it turns out the science is completely wrong.

I agree with you, but I was talking about eating a small amount of well sourced meat, plenty of vegetables and all the 'nice' stuff in moderation. I don't think anybody is ever going to say its really healthy to eat a huge tub of fat, it's still not going to do you any good and most of us know that.
 
What other source of protein do these Atkins people go for then ?

Lean chicken ? whey isolate. ?

All my research so far shows powering your body from protein and fat is a bad idea.
I just removed the tofu from my lunchtime soup - protein I don't need.

Bad enough that someone would do this once in desperation to shift some weight, but thousands of people have been living this way for decades - especially in the USA.

there are literally hundreds (most likely thousands) of sources of healthy, lean protein. and Atkins is certainly not the only model for a higher protein, lower carbohydrate diet.
if you're just going to spout sensationalist nonsense then I really don't know what to say.

"thousands of people have been living this way for decades"
yeah, most likely because of the various beneficial effects on their health such as blood sugar and blood pressure regulation, perhaps?

Low Carb Diet - What is Low Carb?

(from above link)
How to follow a low carb diet
A healthy low carb diet should have the following features:

  • Strong vegetable intake
  • Modest increase in fat intake from natural sources
  • Moderate protein intake
  • Low reliance upon processed food, sugar and grains
How will low-carbing affect my weight?
Low carbohydrate diets have been found to be successful in aiding weight loss.

There is some debate as to how the diet helps.


The reduction in carbohydrates means that people need not produce, or inject, so much insulin. As insulin helps to store fat, less circulating insulincould help to prevent, reduce or reverse weight gain.

A further theory is that by restricting the amount of carbohydrates, people are often restricting their calorie intake to some extent, which also helps it weight loss and weight management.

Fats and protein
If you are significantly reducing the amount of carbohydrate in your diet, you may need to make up some of the reduced calories with either protein or fat.

It is advisable to ensure the fat content of your diet comes from natural sources, such as:

  • Meat
  • Fish
  • Dairy
  • Eggs
  • Nuts
  • Avocado
  • Olives
  • Olive oil
anyway the above info is not from either of the official government websites but is an example of how different the low carb approach is to how it is portrayed in the media and by its opponents of being TOTALLY EXTREME (dude!?)


and of course this list of 23 studies showing the benefits of low carb is biased in favor of the studies that supported low carb, higher protein but it does reference several actual studies which goes to show that if your research is only showing the opposite then there is perhaps something wrong with your method of researching this topic, and not with low carb diets

23 Studies on Low-Carb and Low-Fat Diets - Time to Retire The Fad
 
I'll give it a miss thanks.

As I said, my concern is that this isn't dangerously obese people needing to lose weight, it's people adopting a diet for life that bears no relation to the diet of the healthiest and longest-lived people on the planet.
 
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