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Will Caroline be tooled up on the next demo after witnessing this?
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caroline lucas wielding nunchuks - an artist's impression
 
But seriously, seeing loved ones and friends getting deliberately hurt by the police, not even under the guise of "restraint", will make people very angry and quite likely to have a permanent change of view towards po po.
 
I would hazard a surmise that glueing oneself to the cop vans sent to cart off the protesters would be rather effective. Just repeat until the police give up arresting people or they have no more vans left and a huge mess of gridlocked traffic caused by themselves.
Could be very funny.
 
I would hazard a surmise that gueing oneself to the cop vans sent to cart off the protesters would be rather effective. Just repeat until the police give up arresting people or they have no more vans left and a huge mess of gridlocked traffic caused by themselves.
Could be very funny.
or people attaching themselves to tsg vans. at all these things there's lots of empty cop vans, or cop vans only with drivers in. if people started gluing themselves to those i wonder if they'd wreak havoc and immobilise the police. plus the acetone things the cops use, they won't have an inexhaustible supply of acetone in.
 
or people attaching themselves to tsg vans. at all these things there's lots of empty cop vans, or cop vans only with drivers in. if people started gluing themselves to those i wonder if they'd wreak havoc and immobilise the police. plus the acetone things the cops use, they won't have an inexhaustible supply of acetone in.
Yes comrade, these tactics are sound.
 
I suspect you live a pretty mobile and digitally connected life in a western city, unlike many in the world.

well, mobile in the sense I'm on my pushbike most days; digitally connected, of course, like about two thirds of people worldwide. In any event, we're talking about XR in the UK which has much higher connectivity.
Anyway, you might feel more connected to people on U75, but they're largely not the people you are able to organize with politically are they?
well, up to a point. U75 isn't facebook, which is where a lot of organising seems to be centered. Remember when an obscure backbencher took buggins turn to stand for leader of the Labour Party? Do you really think the he'd have won, or won so convincingly, in a pre-internet, pre-SM world? Way back when we'd flypost details of meetings, look to see what was happening in the listings in weekly or monthly magazines, try to organise by word of mouth. Now, the geographic component of organisation trails the electronic, if you're in the right whats-app group you know when the local meeting is, if not, how to find out?

You didn't answer about how 'community' operates and is understood by you, your neighbours and peers. Is it substantially the traditional real world, bricks and mortar, based on pub, church, sports club or is that a much smaller component than interaction via the screen? Maybe my perception is entirely skewed.

As for material interests, back then there was no question about it, now you'd need to start your pub conversation by trying to prove the assertion that 'we share the same material interests' in the face of (at the very least) the example of gentrification (on another thread perhaps, I hope you see what I'm driving at). That's where XR scores- so many people start from the pov that we share common interests wrt climate change, even in the face of increasing air travel and soaring sales of SUVs for the innercity school run. If geographic community organising is the way forward maybe this is the moment, it's hard to think of a campaign more likely to encourage local organisation all across the world.
 
well, mobile in the sense I'm on my pushbike most days; digitally connected, of course, like about two thirds of people worldwide. In any event, we're talking about XR in the UK which has much higher connectivity.

well, up to a point. U75 isn't facebook, which is where a lot of organising seems to be centered. Remember when an obscure backbencher took buggins turn to stand for leader of the Labour Party? Do you really think the he'd have won, or won so convincingly, in a pre-internet, pre-SM world? Way back when we'd flypost details of meetings, look to see what was happening in the listings in weekly or monthly magazines, try to organise by word of mouth. Now, the geographic component of organisation trails the electronic, if you're in the right whats-app group you know when the local meeting is, if not, how to find out?

You didn't answer about how 'community' operates and is understood by you, your neighbours and peers. Is it substantially the traditional real world, bricks and mortar, based on pub, church, sports club or is that a much smaller component than interaction via the screen? Maybe my perception is entirely skewed.

As for material interests, back then there was no question about it, now you'd need to start your pub conversation by trying to prove the assertion that 'we share the same material interests' in the face of (at the very least) the example of gentrification (on another thread perhaps, I hope you see what I'm driving at). That's where XR scores- so many people start from the pov that we share common interests wrt climate change, even in the face of increasing air travel and soaring sales of SUVs for the innercity school run. If geographic community organising is the way forward maybe this is the moment, it's hard to think of a campaign more likely to encourage local organisation all across the world.
whoa there. digitally connected? i think you'll find you're rather off the mark:
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not all those 5.13bn people are going to have internet enabled phones or tablets
 
whoa there. digitally connected? i think you'll find you're rather off the mark:
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not all those 5.13bn people are going to have internet enabled phones or tablets
fair enough (although you might wish to demonstrate that there's any analogue mobile phone services these days). I don't think the absolute number changes the sense that those who are connected will increasingly communicate via sm.
 
well, mobile in the sense I'm on my pushbike most days; digitally connected, of course, like about two thirds of people worldwide. In any event, we're talking about XR in the UK which has much higher connectivity.

well, up to a point. U75 isn't facebook, which is where a lot of organising seems to be centered. Remember when an obscure backbencher took buggins turn to stand for leader of the Labour Party? Do you really think the he'd have won, or won so convincingly, in a pre-internet, pre-SM world? Way back when we'd flypost details of meetings, look to see what was happening in the listings in weekly or monthly magazines, try to organise by word of mouth. Now, the geographic component of organisation trails the electronic, if you're in the right whats-app group you know when the local meeting is, if not, how to find out?

You didn't answer about how 'community' operates and is understood by you, your neighbours and peers. Is it substantially the traditional real world, bricks and mortar, based on pub, church, sports club or is that a much smaller component than interaction via the screen? Maybe my perception is entirely skewed.

As for material interests, back then there was no question about it, now you'd need to start your pub conversation by trying to prove the assertion that 'we share the same material interests' in the face of (at the very least) the example of gentrification (on another thread perhaps, I hope you see what I'm driving at). That's where XR scores- so many people start from the pov that we share common interests wrt climate change, even in the face of increasing air travel and soaring sales of SUVs for the innercity school run. If geographic community organising is the way forward maybe this is the moment, it's hard to think of a campaign more likely to encourage local organisation all across the world.

Nobody is denying the importance of social media, but communication and advertising is very different to actual organizing. And mobile as in socially; you'll have moved about a bit, maybe have been to university, work in a job that requires skills like computer use - things that are far from universal in the UK, let alone the world. As for community, I agree it's a lazy and somewhat difficult to define term. How about class instead?
 
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