Extinction Rebellion

[8ball]

tbh they might end up with a different lot of protesters.

Might not take too many more pics like this, and when coppers start getting thumped they may get little more than a shrug in response.

 

[Pickman's model]

Might not take too many more pics like this, and when coppers start getting thumped they may get little more than a shrug in response.

the issue though is that the police aren't the objective and however enticing or exciting it may be to give the police what bernie grant would call a bloody good hiding, it is a distraction from the main point.

the police are in most situations an obstacle to be gone around (or over or under) more than a wall to be gone through. this is why staying static is such a stupid idea, because all initiative is handed to the police.

 

[8ball]

the issue though is that the police aren't the objective and however enticing or exciting it may be to give the police what bernie grant would call a bloody good hiding, it is a distraction from the main point.

We all need our little distractions now and then.

 

[Fozzie Bear]

This is Caroline Lucas on the left, no?

 

[Pickman's model]

We all need our little distractions now and then.

after all, who needs an excuse for a ruck with the auld bill? but it should always be under conditions of the protesters' choosing, rather than on a field of the police's choice.

 

[Pickman's model]

This is Caroline Lucas on the left, no?

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yes

 

[8ball]

after all, who needs an excuse for a ruck with the auld bill? but it should always be under conditions of the protesters' choosing, rather than on a field of the police's choice.

Oh, sure. Saving it for the right time and place is a must.

 

[TopCat]

tbh they might end up with a different lot of protesters.

It's a dangerous move for the police to make. Shows their lack of moral compass.

 

[LDC]

The peace movement managed to maintain non-violence in the face of years of police attacks and brutality, so I think the non-violence thing isn't likely to collapse that quickly for some.

Throwing any anarcho street cred I might have out of the window I do think it's actually interesting and maybe more useful to have a political position that isn't fixated on the police and their responses to people on the ground. Seeing the police in moral terms (either good if you're a hippie or bad if you're a militant anarchist) is less useful than seeing them as fulfilling a particular role in society irrespective of their individual and collective actions.

 

[maomao]

A lot more traffic disruption today than Mon - Wed. Something's happening on Blackfriars bridge. With any luck they'll take it.

 

[Pickman's model]

The peace movement managed to maintain non-violence in the face of years of police attacks and brutality, so I think the non-violence thing isn't likely to collapse that quickly for some.

Throwing any street cred I might have out of the window I do think it's actually interesting and maybe more useful to have a political position that isn't fixated on the police and their responses to people on the ground. Seeing the police in moral terms (either good if you're a pacifist or bad if you're a militant anarchist) is less useful than seeing them as fulfilling a particular role in society irrespective of their individual and collective actions.

i think you're far from on the ball if you think pacifists see the cops as good. their use of violence, for example, would put them beyond the pale for many exponents of pacifism. what i think you mean is fluffies, who are a different crowd of people entirely to your principled pacifist. your fluffy will stop you defending yourself or others against cops, they will grass you up to the cops, they will defend the cops.

 

[8ball]

Couple of badge numbers visible in those pics. Sadly not so much in the way of faces.

 

[TopCat]

after all, who needs an excuse for a ruck with the auld bill? but it should always be under conditions of the protesters' choosing, rather than on a field of the police's choice.

Shape your enemy.

 

[LDC]

i think you're far from on the ball if you think pacifists see the cops as good.

Yeah, fair point, I often use the word when I actually mean annoying hippie moralist. Edited. (Although I do hate pacifists a bit too.)

 

[Pickman's model]

Couple of badge numbers visible in those pics. Sadly not so much in the way of faces.

if you'd seen those faces you wouldn't be sad about it at all

 

[SpookyFrank]

You thought it actually was for the cops?

That's not really an answer to my question is it?

 

[8ball]

That's not really an answer to my question is it?

It's the implication of your question. Should also be enough answer for you.

 

[8ball]

if you'd seen those faces you wouldn't be sad about it at all

I was kinda thinking those are pretty media-friendly images for getting an impact, but with a clear face in it I can see the potential conversations of the coppers at dinner later tonight as they try to justify things to their spouses and kids.

 

[Pickman's model]

I was kinda thinking those are pretty media-friendly images for getting an impact, but with a clear face in it I can see the potential conversations of the coppers at dinner later tonight as they try to justify things to their spouses and kids.

if they're still needing to justify their use of force to spouses and children (who may well have experienced similar themselves) then the marriage or relationship is not going to last long.

 

[SpookyFrank]

Just seen this on the twitter. The mask is slipping.

You're lucky if they're only twisting your ears. Another favourite tactic is to have a couple of coppers kneel on your ribcage while you're face down on the floor, and another kneel on your head. They will shout 'stop resisting' while they're doing this, whether you're resisting or not, for the benefit of any cameras or observers present. Most people will struggle though, as when you feel like your chest or your skull is about to be crushed it's very hard not to.

 

[8ball]

if they're still needing to justify their use of force to spouses and children (who may well have experienced similar themselves) then the marriage or relationship is not going to last long.

I expect to their kids they are "nice friendly bobbies who help people and sometimes need to arrest bad people".

 

[spitfire]

You're lucky if they're only twisting your ears. Another favourite tactic is to have a couple of coppers kneel on your ribcage while you're face down on the floor, and another kneel on your head. They will shout 'stop resisting' while they're doing this, whether you're resisting or not, for the benefit of any cameras or observers present. Most people will struggle though, as when you feel like your chest or your skull is about to be crushed it's very hard not to.

Oh I know that, just observing that they are heading in that direction now. Will be an eye opener for some down there.

 

[Pickman's model]

I expect to they're kids they are "nice friendly bobbies who help people and sometimes need to arrest bad people".

the divorced cop is a cliche, as is the dv cop

 

[8ball]

the divorced cop is a cliche, as is the dv cop

Not sure if you misread me somewhere (though I did make an egregious grammatical error, which I have now corrected).

 

[Idaho]

Comments under that are very ugly - cop & pro-cop responses.

Really grim. And if you click through to their feed/story/page (whatever is called in Twitter) they are all brexiteers.

 

[SpookyFrank]

I was kinda thinking those are pretty media-friendly images for getting an impact, but with a clear face in it I can see the potential conversations of the coppers at dinner later tonight as they try to justify things to their spouses and kids.

I love love love the idea that coppers go home each night and give an accurate account of how they spent their day to their wives and kids, and then engage in a rigorous ethical defence of those actions, presumably with references to the family reading list.

My mate's dad was a copper. I remember him coming home one night laughing his fucking face off about an arrestee who had tripped over while handcuffed behind his back, and unable to extend a hand to stop himself had broken his jaw and knocked several teeth out on the kerb. This person was a criminal, so their suffering was a good thing. Simple.

 

[Pickman's model]

Not sure if you misread me somewhere (though I did make an egregious grammatical error, which I have now corrected).

if it was the they're for their, i ignored it.

tbh i wouldn't be surprised if someone who inflicts violence like that on other people also shares the pleasure with their family

 

[8ball]

I love love love the idea that coppers go home each night and give an accurate account of how they spent their day to their wives and kids, and then engage in a rigorous ethical defence of those actions, presumably with references to the family reading list.

Cos that's what I said, innit.

 

[TopCat]

yes

Will Caroline be tooled up on the next demo after witnessing this?

 

[Pickman's model]

Will Caroline be tooled up on the next demo after witnessing this?

she'll be wielding some nunchuks