TopCat
Putin fanboy
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Extinction Rebellion
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skyscraper101
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Some right knobs on LBC this morning going off one one about this. Ferrari egging them on as expected. Switched off and listened to some drum and bass instead.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
there's your actual tsg
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
oh don't fuss, it's all fucked so it'll get as warm as you like
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
always interesting to see the cops channel their inner soldierWestminster bridge now
I've come to think LBC is shit satire. They give a radio show to Farage during brexit ffs.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
been pondering it long, have you?
A380
How do I change this 'custom title' thing then?
Rental vans as road blockers with one or more lock ons is a good tactic. The group is only risking their deposit not seizure of the vehicle. Also means ANPR isn’t going to be much help and old bill are going to have spend a lot of time pulling hire vans all over town.
Not sure about the fucking maracas though.
Not sure about the fucking maracas though.
A380
How do I change this 'custom title' thing then?
National standard for Level One vans has always been blue but the Met, as is always their endearing wont went there own way for The Spice Girls with the silver box vans. TBF the Mercedes sprinter box vans, which were built on the same base vehicle as ambulances of the time, were the only vans that could take a serial, a driver and all the kit and still have an air conditioning fit and stay under the weight limit. The old vans couldn’t have air-con. Presumably the new generation of transit and transit wannabe panel vans are lighter and so can have air-con and stay under the weight limit.
pesh
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they didn't seem that keen to hold onto the vehicles they seized last time, the curtain sided truck that was blocking Waterloo bridge for a week in April was at pretty much every festival I went to this summer
savoloysam
Pigman's pigman's ha ha charade you are..
I swear one of the protestors on the news had a full on gurn going complete with the standard mile wide pupils. What a way to spend a Monday morning! Pilled up and on the march! Fair play! 
savoloysam
Pigman's pigman's ha ha charade you are..
Let it Bee, let it Bee, let it Bee, let it Bee!
urbanspaceman
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I liked this article:
www.spiked-online.com/2019/10/07/the-madness-of-extinction-rebellion/
"Let us no longer beat around the bush about these people. This is an upper-middle-class death cult.This is a millenarian movement that might speak of science, but which is driven by sheer irrationalism. By fear, moral exhaustion and misanthropy. This is the deflated, self-loathing bourgeoisie coming together to project their own psycho-social hang-ups on to society at large."
It seems to me that ER's message appeals to the God-shaped hole that many people have in their brains. The same comfort of group identity, the same pleasure in criticising unbelievers, the same slightly kinky hunger for the Apocalypse. ER's hysteria could well turn the general public off the whole project - after all if things are that bad ("18 months to save the planet", Jul 2019), then one quite rational response is a fatalistic shrug.
There is a more attractive and rational narrative, but it's not got that thrilling end-times vibe:
1) Climate Change is a real, albeit slow, process
2) plenty of partial solutions exist (reforestation/rewilding, solar, wind, battery land management, new low-C processes for steel and concrete, electric vehicles, energy efficiency, green/white/solar roofs, agro-voltaics, new small Thorium reactors) which, as a holistic package, can address the problem
3) there need not be economic costs, in fact more jobs might be created. But we do need to abolish fossil fuel subsidies.
4) worst case, there do exist geoengineering fixes (atmospheric sulphur seeding, orbital mirrors, carbon burial, ocean fertilisation) but they are best kept in reserve
5) the UK is a pioneer in decarbonisation: carbon emissions are down to levels last seen in the 1880s, coal is pretty much finished in electricity generation, wind power continues to be rapidly built out
I'm optimistic - in the past year or two, it seems that governments are beginning to take action: www.climatechangenews.com/2019/09/23/russia-formally-joins-paris-climate-agreement/
Russia!
www.spiked-online.com/2019/10/07/the-madness-of-extinction-rebellion/
"Let us no longer beat around the bush about these people. This is an upper-middle-class death cult.This is a millenarian movement that might speak of science, but which is driven by sheer irrationalism. By fear, moral exhaustion and misanthropy. This is the deflated, self-loathing bourgeoisie coming together to project their own psycho-social hang-ups on to society at large."
It seems to me that ER's message appeals to the God-shaped hole that many people have in their brains. The same comfort of group identity, the same pleasure in criticising unbelievers, the same slightly kinky hunger for the Apocalypse. ER's hysteria could well turn the general public off the whole project - after all if things are that bad ("18 months to save the planet", Jul 2019), then one quite rational response is a fatalistic shrug.
There is a more attractive and rational narrative, but it's not got that thrilling end-times vibe:
1) Climate Change is a real, albeit slow, process
2) plenty of partial solutions exist (reforestation/rewilding, solar, wind, battery land management, new low-C processes for steel and concrete, electric vehicles, energy efficiency, green/white/solar roofs, agro-voltaics, new small Thorium reactors) which, as a holistic package, can address the problem
3) there need not be economic costs, in fact more jobs might be created. But we do need to abolish fossil fuel subsidies.
4) worst case, there do exist geoengineering fixes (atmospheric sulphur seeding, orbital mirrors, carbon burial, ocean fertilisation) but they are best kept in reserve
5) the UK is a pioneer in decarbonisation: carbon emissions are down to levels last seen in the 1880s, coal is pretty much finished in electricity generation, wind power continues to be rapidly built out
I'm optimistic - in the past year or two, it seems that governments are beginning to take action: www.climatechangenews.com/2019/09/23/russia-formally-joins-paris-climate-agreement/
Russia!
Idaho
blah blah blah
There is an element of normalcy bias combined with ad hominem in these kinds of critiques. Not wanting to agree or change because you find the speakers not to your liking, and the message sounds like hard work.
Gramsci
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They are pulling over vans / small lorries in Horseferry road. Near the protest.
Miss-Shelf
I'll meet you further on up the road
Many people on xr are also working with councils on a local political level and also within movements such as labour for a green new deal. The GND is very (overly? ) positive in its messaging
But IPCC reports are dire ....I dont think its all about projecting self loathing outward
i hadn't realised i was sympathetic to an 'upper middle class' death cult'
. i do take the point though (to an extent). As i viewed Gramscl's excellent photos, i was reminded of the times i've visited the nearby Findhorn Foundation (not as a participant in their carryings on, but to sample the excellent cafe cakes!). The Foundation is full of the same stereotypes. Really beautiful, overwhelmingly posh, flowing colourful garments with a certain style. These are not bad people, far from it, they appear to be thoughtful and kind and thoroughly decent in that way that privilege allows. Yet you don't, generally speaking, want them anywhere near power structures because there is an absence of practicality, a detachment from the ordinary struggles of common people. Yet, we all know that we are at crisis point. If the science predictions are even half way plausible the only chance of humans not having a Bladerunner future is if humans of all stripes begin a process of dismantling conventional carbon economics and class domination. If the dippyhippy contingent are leading the charge today, then surely we can lend support and hope for better as the movement develops?
Beside which, i just want to stop weeping from impotence
. i do take the point though (to an extent). As i viewed Gramscl's excellent photos, i was reminded of the times i've visited the nearby Findhorn Foundation (not as a participant in their carryings on, but to sample the excellent cafe cakes!). The Foundation is full of the same stereotypes. Really beautiful, overwhelmingly posh, flowing colourful garments with a certain style. These are not bad people, far from it, they appear to be thoughtful and kind and thoroughly decent in that way that privilege allows. Yet you don't, generally speaking, want them anywhere near power structures because there is an absence of practicality, a detachment from the ordinary struggles of common people. Yet, we all know that we are at crisis point. If the science predictions are even half way plausible the only chance of humans not having a Bladerunner future is if humans of all stripes begin a process of dismantling conventional carbon economics and class domination. If the dippyhippy contingent are leading the charge today, then surely we can lend support and hope for better as the movement develops? Beside which, i just want to stop weeping from impotence
savoloysam
Pigman's pigman's ha ha charade you are..
Who exactly are the "upper middle classes" Is it just a way of dividing not only the classes but the classes within the classes? Very confusing.
8ball
Decolonise colons!
North London, innit.
