Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
i think martin is probably fortunate enough never to have met the count
Extinction Rebellion
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A380
How do I change this 'custom title' thing then?
I did indeed.
Ted Striker
Foot's on the other hand
Imagine being in a rush, or even on time to get to the airport, with all the excitement of a holiday years in the planning...months of anticipation after a hellish couple of years...weeks of uncertainty as to what whim Boris will shut something down...and days jumping through hoops and paying through the nose to get all your tests done....
...And these lot block your path to the airport (they are at the Heathrow junction of the M25). Makes me want to go full Spymaster tbh.
I'd be amazed if this wasn't some sort of an undercover infiltrator organising it to ensure public opinion is against them
...And these lot block your path to the airport (they are at the Heathrow junction of the M25). Makes me want to go full Spymaster tbh.
I'd be amazed if this wasn't some sort of an undercover infiltrator organising it to ensure public opinion is against them
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Imagine being in a rush, or even on time to get to the airport, with all the excitement of a holiday years in the planning...months of anticipation after a hellish couple of years...weeks of uncertainty as to what whim Boris will shut something down...and days jumping through hoops and paying through the nose to get all your tests done....
...And these lot block your path to the airport (they are at the Heathrow junction of the M25). Makes me want to go full Spymaster tbh.
I'd be amazed if this wasn't some sort of an undercover infiltrator organising it to ensure public opinion is against them
They should have taken the tube or Heathrow express obvs
maomao
普費斯
It's not actually a terrible angle to take. Take one issue that could significantly reduce UK emissions, and improve quality of life particularly for a lot of elderly and vulnerable people, and campaign hard on that. But even I will admit that this comes over as totally nuts. An issue better suited to the posh lobbying end of campaigning than the sitting in the road end. I'm normally happy for them to hold up as many people as they can but they could have had a better message about something vaguely connected to roads.
Yep, another brain child of Hallam's
Or not flown at all. Fuck 'em
hitmouse
so defeated, thinks it's funny
As opposed to Insular Britain, which is a new GB News show.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
He's given it the large about how he's studied protest tactics but I don't know of any campaign he's been involved in that won
LDC
On est tous des pangolins
Depending a bit on what you mean by both 'campaign' and 'won' most can be said to have failed can't they, although there was a string of animal rights ones in the late '90s early '00s that won wasn't there? Wasn't Hallam a small organic farmer before this, and then before that think his background was co-ops more than direct action.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
So you don't know of any either
A380
How do I change this 'custom title' thing then?
Just off the top of my head.
Brent Spa
The plan to build four ring motorways round London- instead of the one and a half we have.
Wing London Airport
Three significant wins off the top of my head. I know some elements of the left prefer defiant defeats but important to remember victories. I’m sure someone will be along to claim none of the above were victories for the protesters…
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Flavour
hang the bankers
i think airports are legitimate targets tbh. can't create disruption to capital without inconveniencing normal people. what sort of action could possibly disrupt capital without inconveniencing people? power stations for example, the fossil-fuel-burning variety are the most legitimate targets that come to mind: should we not do that for fear of inconveniencing the working class people who work at the power station, and the massive disruption to people everywhere if the power station shuts down and the leccy goes off?
ska invita
back on the other side
Disrupting MPs would be top of my list
Flavour
hang the bankers
Private airfields are good too but there'll be days they won't have any flights at all so fairly inconsequential action I think. And people going on holiday don't automatically earn my sympathy because they've toiled all year or whatever. In the UK around 15% of the population takes around 70% of the flights and quite frankly they can get fucked.
TopCat
Putin fanboy
But they haven’t targeted the wealthy via private airfields just mass transit. I would pick them up and throw them in the nearest ditch if they hindered my holiday.
Well, it seems to have worked to get the name of their group publicity.
www.insulatebritain.com
Not sure if they are XR though.
Insulate Britain - Insulate Britain
Humanity is at a pivotal crossroads: accelerated human-caused global heating is threatening to destroy human civilisation unless urgent action is taken to rapidly reduce our greenhouse gas emissions (GHG). The science is not disputed and now is the time to act. Improving the quality of our homes...
www.insulatebritain.com
Not sure if they are XR though.
A380
How do I change this 'custom title' thing then?
The biggest private jet airfield is Luton so that would be hard. Have a go at Farnbourgh, especially as they just stole stupid amounts of air space.
Targeting GA airfield ms is just going to inconvenience a load of middle aged and elderly blokes called Trevor who’s hobby used aircraft that gave up their embedded carbon costs in 1969 and use the same amount of fuel every year for the whole UK as one 30 minute rush hour Lane closure on the M25…
souljacker
innit
You'd probably get shot by BAE mercenaries though.
They should have had a go at City Airport. That doesn't get much holiday traffic.
Elpenor
Dancing as fast as I can
It has quite a few flights serving weekend minibreak destinations
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Not sure what the angel of the north has to do with itWell, it seems to have worked to get the name of their group publicity.
Insulate Britain - Insulate Britain
Humanity is at a pivotal crossroads: accelerated human-caused global heating is threatening to destroy human civilisation unless urgent action is taken to rapidly reduce our greenhouse gas emissions (GHG). The science is not disputed and now is the time to act. Improving the quality of our homes...
Not sure if they are XR though.
Saul Goodman
It's all good, man
It's hard to know what you'd do in a situation like that but I reckon I'd have pissed all over them first, then escalate as necessary.
LDC
On est tous des pangolins
Still needs a bigger picture strategy than targeting airports/power stations/whatever doesn't it? None of things do much themselves; they either make the government take notice (and then hopefully action), bring the attention into the media/people's minds, and/or build a social movement for people to take action themselves and maybe then pressure or force the government to do likewise.
I'd argue the second is redundant at this point in time, which leaves you with 2 options; take action to force the government to do something, or try and build a movement that can force action itself with or without the government. I think it's possible (and ideal) to do both, but things like the M25 blockade force the government to the detriment of a wider social movement imo. The logical end point of that kind of action is some type of terrorism where you see yourselves and the government as the only agents of change and you just do things that create the biggest/worst problem for the State to deal with and then hopefully it becomes untenable for them to keep doing whatever it is you want them to stop. Shutting down power stations fits that model (without the terror bit obviously) I think.
Isn't one of the (many) complexities with climate stuff is that it's taking tactics (blockades and site invasions for example) from other campaigns like anti-roads or oil/coal extraction stuff that was about stopping something at the point of the action (construction or mining) and the disruption itself was almost a side effect, and then transplanting them to a format where the action itself becomes a spectacle that doesn't directly impact anything itself at the time it's done?
Another tricky thing as you can see from this thread is lots of people are going to be actively resisting some of the changes that need to happen when they're confronted with actions like this M25 one. How does that get dealt with on a wider level? (As in I don't mean just facing angry drivers.) At the very least I think actions that look like they're blaming individual people (stopping commercial flights) or ones that have a tangential relation to what you're asking for (like blocking the M25 thing about insulating homes) need to be avoided.
E2A: Happy to be ripped apart on this, thinking out loud rather than 100% this is what I think/know.
I'd argue the second is redundant at this point in time, which leaves you with 2 options; take action to force the government to do something, or try and build a movement that can force action itself with or without the government. I think it's possible (and ideal) to do both, but things like the M25 blockade force the government to the detriment of a wider social movement imo. The logical end point of that kind of action is some type of terrorism where you see yourselves and the government as the only agents of change and you just do things that create the biggest/worst problem for the State to deal with and then hopefully it becomes untenable for them to keep doing whatever it is you want them to stop. Shutting down power stations fits that model (without the terror bit obviously) I think.
Isn't one of the (many) complexities with climate stuff is that it's taking tactics (blockades and site invasions for example) from other campaigns like anti-roads or oil/coal extraction stuff that was about stopping something at the point of the action (construction or mining) and the disruption itself was almost a side effect, and then transplanting them to a format where the action itself becomes a spectacle that doesn't directly impact anything itself at the time it's done?
Another tricky thing as you can see from this thread is lots of people are going to be actively resisting some of the changes that need to happen when they're confronted with actions like this M25 one. How does that get dealt with on a wider level? (As in I don't mean just facing angry drivers.) At the very least I think actions that look like they're blaming individual people (stopping commercial flights) or ones that have a tangential relation to what you're asking for (like blocking the M25 thing about insulating homes) need to be avoided.
E2A: Happy to be ripped apart on this, thinking out loud rather than 100% this is what I think/know.
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Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
terrorism pretty much by definition suggests that the government can be forced to act by the population. the use of political violence often has public opinion as its target
Ax^
Silly Rabbit
Imagine being in a rush, or even on time to get to the airport, with all the excitement of a holiday years in the planning...months of anticipation after a hellish couple of years...weeks of uncertainty as to what whim Boris will shut something down...and days jumping through hoops and paying through the nose to get all your tests done....
...And these lot block your path to the airport (they are at the Heathrow junction of the M25). Makes me want to go full Spymaster tbh.
I'd be amazed if this wasn't some sort of an undercover infiltrator organising it to ensure public opinion is against them
that the way out of the airport not the way in
