Extinction Rebellion

[ddraig]

That's bollocks tho, public aren't on the side of xr

 

[Pickman's model]

That's bollocks tho, public aren't on the side of xr

Peter Hain didn't have a scientific education so can be forgiven for thinking that you can extrapolate from 12 people in a court to a nation of many millions

 

[teqniq]

That's bollocks tho, public aren't on the side of xr

Hmm not necessarily. did you actually read it? In it he argues that because the defendants dispensed with their legal teams and conducted their own defence, they were able to convince the jury that their actions were wholly reasonable in light of Shell's continuing activities that are contributing to climate change. Sure, there are plenty of people that would disagree with this usually for purely selfish reasons but given the opportunity to explain themselves in a court they were able to win the jury over.

 

[ddraig]

Hmm not necessarily. did you actually read it? In it he argues that because the defendants dispensed with their legal teams and conducted their own defence, they were able to convince the jury that their actions were wholly reasonable in light of Shell's continuing activities that are contributing to climate change. Sure, there are plenty of people that would disagree with this usually for purely selfish reasons but given the opportunity to explain themselves in a court they were able to win the jury over.

No I didn't read it
Do you think the public are on the side of xr? I dont

 

[teqniq]

I think it demonstrates that people are open to persuasion when presented with a well argued case. How else to explain the result?

 

[ddraig]

I think it demonstrates that people are open to persuasion when presented with a well argued case. How else to explain the result?

A jury acquitting doesn't mean the "public" all agree does it? Just that jury on that day

 

[teqniq]

That is true but it is an optimistic sign imo nevertheless.

 

[Pickman's model]

That is true but it is an optimistic sign imo nevertheless.

Yes, 12 down about 65,000,000 to go

 

[FridgeMagnet]

Does "the public" disagree with XR?

 

[Pickman's model]

Does "the public" disagree with XR?

I don't think you can adduce agreement of otherwise from the actions of 12 people on a jury

 

[ddraig]

Does "the public" disagree with XR?

Reckon so, "the public" generally don't like environmental types, or types that do direct action, or preachy types, or anyone who inconveniences them and their choices

 

[BigMoaner]

Most people I speak to, no matter where they sit on the political spectrum, seem to be far more aware of environmental issues than they ever were. But as has been said, actually sacrificing, demanding change, etc is another matter entirely.

 

[teqniq]

Hmmmm, well now.... nothing to see here, move along:

Police Chiefs’ Phone Records Deleted after Contact with Priti Patel over Extinction Rebellion Murdoch Blockade

A phone update and an ‘IT glitch’ caused the records to be deleted, a court heard today

bylinetimes.com

 

[krtek a houby]

All you cracker bitches need to go extinct. We’ll enslave all of you and your women will be forced to satisfy big Black cocks until they die.

Your piss poor racist parodies are boring.

Get help, or stay drowning in your lonely, unfulfilled crap life.

 

[TopCat]

I thought there may be Roger The Dodger news and instead we have this.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

Do you think the public are on the side of xr? I dont

Everyone knows that climate change is real, everyone knows that we need to change our behaviours in order to counter it, XR’s message is that government must mandate that change. This appeals in many ways; you may drive an SUV and fly once a month, use gas for cooking and heating and so on, but are absolved of responsibility as any individual action is a homeopathic drop in the ocean, it needs a global response. And they are right. But it won’t happen. So yeah, even rabid right wingers I speak to know XR are right and that something needs to happen, they, like me know nothing will. We’re fucked.

 

[Pickman's model]

Everyone knows that climate change is real, everyone knows that we need to change our behaviours in order to counter it, XR’s message is that government must mandate that change. This appeals in many ways; you may drive an SUV and fly once a month, use gas for cooking and heating and so on, but are absolved of responsibility as any individual action is a homeopathic drop in the ocean, it needs a global response. And they are right. But it won’t happen. So yeah, even rabid right wingers I speak to know XR are right and that something needs to happen, they, like me know nothing will. We’re fucked.

Tbh it doesn't matter if everyone changed to being super good tomorrow, it's too late. The permafrost is melting, and with the warming arctic the methane hydrates under the seas there will bubble up much faster than they're doing atm. Maybe - just maybe - we'll get lucky and it'll all end up ok. Like one chance in ten thousand. But yeh barring that slim chance we're fucked and as far as I'm concerned the only saving grace is I'll be dead before it all goes to shit

 

[Pickman's model]

Dystopiary if I fall down and fuck my ankle that's but here we're talking about vast numbers of people greatly suffering, many millions of people dying horrible deaths, the extinction of so many animals we love, a planet that will take many thousands of years to recover from just 200-250 years of industrial humans. I think that rates a bit more than , maybe

 

[Dystopiary]

Dystopiary if I fall down and fuck my ankle that's but here we're talking about vast numbers of people greatly suffering, many millions of people dying horrible deaths, the extinction of so many animals we love, a planet that will take many thousands of years to recover from just 200-250 years of industrial humans. I think that rates a bit more than , maybe

Believe me, I find it devastating.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

Tbh it doesn't matter if everyone changed to being super good tomorrow, it's too late. The permafrost is melting, and with the warming arctic the methane hydrates under the seas there will bubble up much faster than they're doing atm. Maybe - just maybe - we'll get lucky and it'll all end up ok. Like one chance in ten thousand. But yeh barring that slim chance we're fucked and as far as I'm concerned the only saving grace is I'll be dead before it all goes to shit

Baby Bahn 1 is choosing university courses to start September 2022, she's interested in environmental science and computer science, she's pretty much settled on the later as the former is just too depressing, every model they do in her A level group comes back with the same result: fucked.

 

[NoXion]

Everyone knows that climate change is real, everyone knows that we need to change our behaviours in order to counter it, XR’s message is that government must mandate that change. This appeals in many ways; you may drive an SUV and fly once a month, use gas for cooking and heating and so on, but are absolved of responsibility as any individual action is a homeopathic drop in the ocean, it needs a global response. And they are right. But it won’t happen. So yeah, even rabid right wingers I speak to know XR are right and that something needs to happen, they, like me know nothing will. We’re fucked.

Tbh it doesn't matter if everyone changed to being super good tomorrow, it's too late. The permafrost is melting, and with the warming arctic the methane hydrates under the seas there will bubble up much faster than they're doing atm. Maybe - just maybe - we'll get lucky and it'll all end up ok. Like one chance in ten thousand. But yeh barring that slim chance we're fucked and as far as I'm concerned the only saving grace is I'll be dead before it all goes to shit

I see that my predictions were right about how the millenarian focus on apocalyptic predictions by climate doomsters leads to apathy and inaction. Future generations are going to curse the likes of Greta Thunberg and XR.

Never mind that we can still decarbonise energy production and produce significant reductions in carbon emissions. Never mind that we already have the technology to do that in the form of nuclear fission and renewables. Nah, much better to instead wank on about the end of the world. The fossil fuel companies should be giving the climate doomsters a stipend for all the useful work they've done in demoralising people. Well done lads.

 

[Pickman's model]

I see that my predictions were right about how the millenarian focus on apocalyptic predictions by climate doomsters leads to apathy and inaction. Future generations are going to curse the likes of Greta Thunberg and XR.

Never mind that we can still decarbonise energy production and produce significant reductions in carbon emissions. Never mind that we already have the technology to do that in the form of nuclear fission and renewables. Nah, much better to instead wank on about the end of the world. The fossil fuel companies should be giving the climate doomsters a stipend for all the useful work they've done in demoralising people. Well done lads.

I say nothing against trying to sort things out. Without attempting to change things the one chance in ten thousand vanishes. I think tho that we've missed the bus and decarbonising energy production and producing significant reductions in emissions is no longer enough. When co2 reaches a certain level it can affect cognitive ability and damage health Indoor carbon dioxide levels could be a health hazard, scientists warn and the rate co2 is rising that's not really all that far away

So the question isn't really just about reducing emissions or changing energy production but grabbing carbon out of the atmosphere and locking it away in sufficient quantities to mitigate emissions from the Arctic and from decomposing permafrost. What's your proposal for that?

 

[FridgeMagnet]

XR explicitly don't say "we're completely fucked", anyway. If anything they underplay things.

 

[platinumsage]

Something that might help is telling people that Churchill was a massive racist.

 

[ska invita]

Don't want to get arrested before a demo? Then don't publicise a plan to break the law! - Freedom News

The raid on Animal/Extinction Rebellion’s warehouse shows why you shouldn’t publicly broadcast plans to break the law. On multiple occasions over the last few years, I have taken it upon myself to caution the wider movement – and Extinction Rebellion activists in particular – that if you...

freedomnews.org.uk

 

[Red Sky]

Don't want to get arrested before a demo? Then don't publicise a plan to break the law! - Freedom News

The raid on Animal/Extinction Rebellion’s warehouse shows why you shouldn’t publicly broadcast plans to break the law. On multiple occasions over the last few years, I have taken it upon myself to caution the wider movement – and Extinction Rebellion activists in particular – that if you...

freedomnews.org.uk

The only way to be safe is to do nothing. Solid message from the anarchists there.

 

[Pickman's model]

The only way to be safe is to do nothing. Solid message from the anarchists there.

there is no safe way. but it is safer not to broadcast your plans before they're carried out.

 

[ddraig]

The only way to be safe is to do nothing. Solid message from the anarchists there.

That's not the message tho is it, it's just advising against the naive aproach and tactics of XR

 

[bellaozzydog]

The only way to be safe is to do nothing. Solid message from the anarchists there.

Squinting with my head on its side I didn’t manage to get that message

he’s saying don’t do the coppers int gathering for them i.e don’t plaster it on Facebook

 

[hitmouse]

If only there was some kind of third way, some kind of option in between "doing nothing" and "publicly announcing your intention to break the law".