nyxx
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free to anyone who walks in?
I went in a coffee chain yesterday & the toilets had a door code you had to get from the staff at the till. Might of been a pret but might of been a starbucks or costa.
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free to anyone who walks in?
I went in a coffee chain yesterday & the toilets had a door code you had to get from the staff at the till. Might of been a pret but might of been a starbucks or costa.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
Starbucks are a chief offender when it comes to bog codes.
BristolEcho
Well-Known Member
Weatherspoon's are usually a good bet for the free toilet dash.
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hiraethified
I'm really not sure what the ongoing fascination with free toilets is here, but it's really not hard to find access to a free toilet in the West End. And yes, some Prets make you use a code but it's hardly a major challenge to just wait until someone opens the door.
In the hope of ending this discussion - which started when it was claimed that some protesters would either stink or not object to being called 'stinky' - I present you with this map and link of free/nominal fee toilets which I hope will be found useful to anyone with further concerns.
If anyone else wants to discuss the provision of free toilets in the West End, I absolutely insist that they take it to another thread and let this thread focus on what the title is about. Thank you.
maomao
普費斯
You can alway use Pret bogs and I've even got a free babycino out of them when I didn't have a kid with me. More to see if I could then anything else.
nyxx
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Actually, finding somewhere to piss is a major aspect of participating in any major central London demo / protest / manifestation whatever you want to call it.
Maybe it’s less of an issue if you stand up to pee? Idk.
For myself anyway, it’s a major aspect of any big public order situation, incl kettles, packed demos, road occupation, anywhere where the police are likely to curtail your movements.
Which is pertinent to a number of xr’s recent actions.
Given how wildly off topic most threads seem to go on here I’m a more than a bit bemused by this ban on discussing it.
Maybe it’s less of an issue if you stand up to pee? Idk.
For myself anyway, it’s a major aspect of any big public order situation, incl kettles, packed demos, road occupation, anywhere where the police are likely to curtail your movements.
Which is pertinent to a number of xr’s recent actions.
Given how wildly off topic most threads seem to go on here I’m a more than a bit bemused by this ban on discussing it.
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hiraethified
I think it's been covered in incredibly close detail in relation to this protest. What else do you think needs discussing in a thread about Extinction Rebellion? How many more pages of discussion do you think it needs?
nyxx
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I have no idea. Til people feel they’ve said what they want to about it? Not my judgement call to make.
I certainly didn’t find your last post on it to really cover it at all, access to pret’s toilets might cover it for you but it certainly doesn’t for me.
getting a door code or waiting for someone to come out so I can sneak in doesn’t work either.
And this does have an impact when I’m deciding whether to go down to an xr thing in central London.
Can I say that though?
I certainly didn’t find your last post on it to really cover it at all, access to pret’s toilets might cover it for you but it certainly doesn’t for me.
getting a door code or waiting for someone to come out so I can sneak in doesn’t work either.
And this does have an impact when I’m deciding whether to go down to an xr thing in central London.
Can I say that though?
MickiQ
In My Defence I was left Unsupervised
I can personally vouch for the fact that the one at 143 Blackfriars Road in London did not have a bog code as of 5pm yesterday though it was in desperate need of a good mopping out.
However I did notice that they have changed the signs on the door, the little stick figures (one with and one without a skirt) have been replaced with a pair of narrow isosceles triangles (one pointing up and one down) with a circle at the top which I found very odd.
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hiraethified
So you only go to a peaceful protest when you're assured that there are completely satisfactory toilet facilities in place in the immediate vicinity, with Pret's not coming up to scratch for you (even though you could buy a 99p coffee for immediate access) and all the others on the map failing to make the grade for unknown reasons. Maybe you'd best stay at home then?
PS It's perfectly feasible to visit an XR 'thing' without any fear of arrest or kettling or anything else that will prevent you from going to the loo when you feel like it.. Hundreds, if not thousands of people have managed it at.
Anyway, it's great to see such an important topic as the Extinction Rebellion protests reduced to a conversation about toilets. In a forum about direct action and protests. Magnificent work everyone. This is forming a vital archive for the future.
nyxx
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No I might still go but I know I will probably have trouble finding somewhere to piss when I need to, and when that comes up it means me and my mates will break away from the main thing and come back in however long it takes.
I mean I’ve been stuck in kettles for up to 10 hours before now, do you imagine that needing to pee never comes up during that?
your attitude on this stinks.
Your multiple assumptions about me, my experience, and what factors I weigh up when getting into any public order situations and what that decision ends up being, are both laughable and insulting.
I mean I’ve been stuck in kettles for up to 10 hours before now, do you imagine that needing to pee never comes up during that?
your attitude on this stinks.
Your multiple assumptions about me, my experience, and what factors I weigh up when getting into any public order situations and what that decision ends up being, are both laughable and insulting.
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planetgeli
There's no future in England's dreaming
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True Ed. But maybe the polite conversation about public conveniences reflects the effectiveness of XR in the first place. While there’s a general strike and running battles in parts of Catalonia, and in the same week indigenous people and the Ecuador youth have beaten back the government and the IMF (and come back to clean their mess afterwards) we have an ongoing debate on toilet facilities in Pret in central London. Very anarchic.
True Ed. But maybe the polite conversation about public conveniences reflects the effectiveness of XR in the first place. While there’s a general strike and running battles in parts of Catalonia, and in the same week indigenous people and the Ecuador youth have beaten back the government and the IMF (and come back to clean their mess afterwards) we have an ongoing debate on toilet facilities in Pret in central London. Very anarchic.
MickiQ
In My Defence I was left Unsupervised
This rates alongside the use of child labour as being amongst the worst sins of global capitalism
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
Badly needed a slash whilst mooching from Euston with Reclaim the Streets, went to nip in to McShits
opposite Kings Cross and the security guard was trying to stop people using the bog without buying food. I told him he was a dirty bugger if he didn’t wash his hands before buying a Big Mac, he let me through, then was quite angry when I left two minutes later sans food.
opposite Kings Cross and the security guard was trying to stop people using the bog without buying food. I told him he was a dirty bugger if he didn’t wash his hands before buying a Big Mac, he let me through, then was quite angry when I left two minutes later sans food.
Starbucks in my town has a code but if you give a good shove it opens
I always feel too guilty and end up buying a coffee.
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hiraethified
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hiraethified
And more on the bloke up Big Ben
Extinction Rebellion targets Big Ben in final day of climate protest
Extinction Rebellion targets Big Ben in final day of climate protest
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
Audi drivers with Reclaim The Streets.
The gentrification of protest is complete!
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
Have you seen the streets recently? Packed full of dawdling, lesser motors. Some of us have the gumption to do something about that situation, some of us just stand and mock.
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
On a more serious point; I have not driven into London since RTS came about, except to move the rig in to squats. Without Twyford Down and all that followed, the Hindhead Tunnel probably would be a cutting. The road movement has achieved a shift in thinking. It’s been a battle, Newbury, M11 and far too many to mention.
XR is protesting about saving the whole fucking planet. Unless, as Pickman's model mentioned, the Artic methane issue is now unstoppable and we’re all fucked, ignoring the issue is no longer an option.
In this thread alone there is a lot of sneering at the naivety of some XR from some people with much experience. What is not being seen is any old hands offering to go to their local meeting, get involved and help make them more effective.
I am not 100% convinced the end of the world is nigh, but it seems harder and harder to avoid news of the latest climate disaster somewhere in the world, (my work was badly affected by the typhoon in Japan last week, worst ever, as is becoming the norm...), but I am very much thinking that I need to change my ways, even though that will make not a jot of difference, global society needs to change their ways. How the fuck that can happen if anyone’s guess, so far I have not seen anyone or anything offer even a glimpse of what needs to be done other than XR...
XR is protesting about saving the whole fucking planet. Unless, as Pickman's model mentioned, the Artic methane issue is now unstoppable and we’re all fucked, ignoring the issue is no longer an option.
In this thread alone there is a lot of sneering at the naivety of some XR from some people with much experience. What is not being seen is any old hands offering to go to their local meeting, get involved and help make them more effective.
I am not 100% convinced the end of the world is nigh, but it seems harder and harder to avoid news of the latest climate disaster somewhere in the world, (my work was badly affected by the typhoon in Japan last week, worst ever, as is becoming the norm...), but I am very much thinking that I need to change my ways, even though that will make not a jot of difference, global society needs to change their ways. How the fuck that can happen if anyone’s guess, so far I have not seen anyone or anything offer even a glimpse of what needs to be done other than XR...
GarveyLives
Well-Known Member
Apparently this was posted on their Facebook page this morning and then deleted:
Commuters who attacked Extinction Rebellion Tube protesters could face police investigation - latest news
"Black people"????
WTF? Are "black people" separate to Londoners?
See:
Extinction Rebellion's hapless stance on class and race is a depressing block to its climate justice goal
Gramsci
Well-Known Member
Actually a lot has been done previous to XR. The Green New Deal for example. The trouble was its never been taken seriously.
I don't think there has been sneering. Its only in last couple of pages of this thread that I've seen some posters join in the the media portrayal of XR.
The protest on underground was a gift for the right wing media to have a go. Also see that here in last few pages. Posters popping up to sneer.
I do think there are legitimate criticisms / reservations to be made of XR. This more thoughtful reservations have been aired here. I think that is not sneering.
Also for all I know some posters here already do some community / political stuff. But like me don't have time for everything.
The thing is XR I think thought that there success last time they occupied Central London could be replicated. They haven't been able to do that this time. The state apparatus has been more hard-line this time.
The media Circus isn't so interested. The novelty has worn off. So the right wing media have smelt blood and gone on the attack.
I have been on the ground talking to XR average members and seeing how it's been going.
It hasn't gone well this time. I'm not criticising XR.
As chilango has posted XR are at critical juncture.
The state apparatus is making there more open protest more and more difficult.
Section 14 is going to put people off. The average XR I've met are average Joe's who want government to really do something about climate change. They aren't heavy duty politicos. But , and I like this, want a world that is sustainable and is equitable.
I really do feel the police have set themselves up as arbiters of what is "democratic" protest. Which is to support the status quo.
Gramsci
Well-Known Member
I know Rupert Read has the same views on immigration as UKIP.
But all the ordinary XR Ive met on the protest this week aren't like him.
I do wish XR would have some kind of internal democracy to reign in people like Read. He doesn't represent the XR I've met.
