DownwardDog
Riding a Brompton with a power meter.
737MAX rebranded to 737-8. It's a good name and will help the situation I think.
Ethiopian Airlines 737 crashes on way to Kenya 157 onboard.
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platinumsage
HaveMyPassword123
Uh? There's already a 737-800, and what will become of the 737 MAX 8 which replaces it: 737-8 8?
It's the sort of useless gesturing that companies deep in the shit do.
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
There is already a 737-800, so this would just con people in to getting on the danger bus.
Edit: snap platinumsage
DownwardDog
Riding a Brompton with a power meter.
I assume it will be -8, -9 and -10 like the 787 and 777X products.
platinumsage
HaveMyPassword123
OK I see that the 737 MAX hasn't been rebranded to 737-8, they simply referred to the 737 MAX 8 as the 737-8 in a press release, presumably meaning the 737 MAX 7 will be 737-7 etc.
They did this with the 737NG, but that was fine because the 737NG came in -700 -800 and -900 flavours as opposed to the original 737 which came in -300, -400, -500.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
As in it will fly for 8 miles
Saul Goodman
It's all good, man
737 Windscale.
DownwardDog
Riding a Brompton with a power meter.
MO'L negotiates a 'modest' discount for 75 x 737-8
www.theguardian.com
Ryanair orders further 75 Boeing 737 Max jets worth up to £6.7bn
Airline defies Covid pessimism and concerns public may avoid model due to safety fears
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
BA are gonna buy a shitload of these things as well, like the scuzzers descending on Debenhams the past few days, picking over the bones to grab a bargain. If I were a pilot I’d crash one of the fuckers, just to screw things up for Boeing, the FAA and all the other wankers involved in this. But I am not a pilot, so DownwardDog, it’s over to you.
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
GOL has become the first operator to start flying the 737max8 again.
I for one would be very wary of getting on a 787max8, but would never in a million years set foot on GOL, their reputation is shite, so it's a good start...
I for one would be very wary of getting on a 787max8, but would never in a million years set foot on GOL, their reputation is shite, so it's a good start...
FAA punished whistleblowers, protected industry and covered up flaws, Senate report says
There are “numerous systemic deficiencies in FAA oversight,” that could put the flying public at risk, the report read.
www.politico.com
weltweit
Well-Known Member
One might have thought with all these investigations and corrective work, that the Boeing 737 Max might now (or rather on its return) be the safest plane in the skies, and if that is the case people might clamour to fly in them over other models.
Personally I can't muster up such enthusiasm, I still don't want to fly in one.
Personally I can't muster up such enthusiasm, I still don't want to fly in one.
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
Boeing Max Judged Safe to Fly by Europe’s Aviation Regulator
Europe’s top aviation regulator said he’s satisfied that changes to Boeing Co.’s 737 Max have made the plane safe enough to return to the region’s skies before 2020 is out, even as a further upgrade his agency demanded won’t be ready for up to two years.
www.bloomberg.com
I was looking at flights around Mexico next summer and Aero Mexico has a new category of aircraft, 7S8 that translates to BOEING 737-800 SCIMITAR WINGLETS JET which is presume is the Max-8.
They also have Embraer E90's on the routes, if we do it that is what I'll be heading towards.
T & P
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I am not sure it will (or deserves to) be regarded by anyone outside Boeing as ‘the safest’ plane. A more apt description would be ‘as safe as any other model’.
I don’t think it can ever be safer than the competing A320, due to the latter’s additional redundancy on various vital sensors and systems. That doesn’t mean is unsafe to fly per se. I’ve never given a moment’s thought about having to fly a 737 NG series for instance, even if there was a A320, which could be described as safer, serving the same route, because at the end of the day the NG is more than perfectly safe.
DownwardDog
Riding a Brompton with a power meter.
Boeing Max Judged Safe to Fly by Europe’s Aviation Regulator
Europe’s top aviation regulator said he’s satisfied that changes to Boeing Co.’s 737 Max have made the plane safe enough to return to the region’s skies before 2020 is out, even as a further upgrade his agency demanded won’t be ready for up to two years.
I was looking at flights around Mexico next summer and Aero Mexico has a new category of aircraft, 7S8 that translates to BOEING 737-800 SCIMITAR WINGLETS JET which is presume is the Max-8.
They also have Embraer E90's on the routes, if we do it that is what I'll be heading towards.
7S8 is a 'split scimitar' wing 737 which is an NG not a MAX. It has a slightly larger span than a 'normal' NG so it needs a different IATA code for ground handling.
The codes for the MAXs are 7M7, 7M8, 7M9 and 7MJ.
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
737 Max: Air Canada flight in unscheduled landing after engine issue
The plane with three crew landed safely after rerouting on a flight from the US to Canada.
www.bbc.co.uk
An Air Canada Boeing 737 Max aircraft has been forced to make an unscheduled landing after developing engine trouble, the airline has said.
The plane was en route from the US state of Arizona to Montreal in Canada when it was diverted shortly after take-off, Air Canada said.
The plane was carrying three crew members at the time and landed safely.
Not the best re-start...
mauvais
on reddit or something
IMO you're probably right in the first part but your reasoning is wrong. It's not about redundancy, it's about the extension or possibly over-extension of a design. Remember why MCAS exists - because the legacy 737 design has been pushed so far that it now requires these mitigations. That hasn't gone away for the 737, but it doesn't yet appear to apply to Airbus (the A320 came along much later).
Disruptive Conduct
nothing you wrote there is at all related, or maybe you just sharted on the keyboard. Bold bastard statements back up by nothing except more bold bastard statements.
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hiraethified
You think this is an appropriate thread for your fucking around? Take another thread ban and another warning point.
DownwardDog
Riding a Brompton with a power meter.
The A320 is a 100% FBW aircraft and is therefore very different to the MAX but it does have something analogous to MCAS with Alpha Protection when flown in Normal Law. Alpha Protection will limit the AoA commanded by stick (exactly like MCAS) when the AoA is between α-Prot and α-Max. Inadvertently disabling Alpha Protection was one of the causes of the AF A330 crash that ended up at the bottom of the Atlantic.
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planetgeli
There's no future in England's dreaming
Sriwijaya Air Boeing 737 passenger plane feared to have crashed in Indonesia
The passenger plane carrying 62 people is suspected to have plunged into the sea minutes after take-off.
www.bbc.co.uk
NOT a 737-Max.
But interesting that the report feels the need to stipulate this. Doesn't say much about confidence.
DownwardDog
Riding a Brompton with a power meter.
Of course it could. Another MAX is going to crash at some point ; that's a certainty with over 4,000 on order. Operators will keep buying to keep it alive in order to prevent Airbus from getting monopoly pricing power in the single aisle 150-250 seat market.
I thought this was interesting..
https://www.npr.org/2021/10/14/1046...indicted-737-max-mark-forkner?t=1634324840601
It was a system failure, its unlikely that senior management who focused on time and money, rather than safety will face criminal charges. Instead the company will pay a fine..
www.justice.gov
https://www.npr.org/2021/10/14/1046...indicted-737-max-mark-forkner?t=1634324840601
It was a system failure, its unlikely that senior management who focused on time and money, rather than safety will face criminal charges. Instead the company will pay a fine..
Boeing Charged with 737 Max Fraud Conspiracy and Agrees to Pay over $2.5 Billion
The Boeing Company (Boeing) has entered into an agreement with the Department of Justice to resolve a criminal charge related to a conspiracy to defraud the Federal Aviation Administration’s Aircraft Evaluation Group (FAA AEG) in connection with the FAA AEG’s evaluation of Boeing’s 737 MAX airplane.
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
I thought this was interesting..
https://www.npr.org/2021/10/14/1046...indicted-737-max-mark-forkner?t=1634324840601
It was a system failure, its unlikely that senior management who focused on time and money, rather than safety will face criminal charges. Instead the company will pay a fine..
Boeing Charged with 737 Max Fraud Conspiracy and Agrees to Pay over $2.5 Billion
The Boeing Company (Boeing) has entered into an agreement with the Department of Justice to resolve a criminal charge related to a conspiracy to defraud the Federal Aviation Administration’s Aircraft Evaluation Group (FAA AEG) in connection with the FAA AEG’s evaluation of Boeing’s 737 MAX airplane.
A bit part actor gets 20 years, the bosses get $20m. Business as usual.
