2hats
Dust.
The NTSB has directed Boeing to redesign all 737NG engine cowlings and retrofit following their investigation into the SWA1380 uncontained engine failure and subsequent rapid decompression.
Ethiopian Airlines 737 crashes on way to Kenya 157 onboard.
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DownwardDog
Riding a Brompton with a power meter.
The first 737MAX10 rolled out this week. She's a looker...
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I feel sorry for the MAX-10 in its role as a competitor to the A321 NEO- an unwinnable battle against arguably the most successful and efficient aircraft variant in the history of commercial aviation. Still, for those airlines committed to an all-Boeing fleet, the -10 should be a good workhorse.
planetgeli
There's no future in England's dreaming
2hats
Dust.
Boeing is suspending 737 MAX production in January.
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ETA: beaten to it by a couple of posters by two minutes 
Widespread rumours that the MAX have more problems than just the MCAS issue have been circulating for a while, which would explain why the plane remains grounded with no concrete date for return to service. Now it seems Boeing is about to announce they’re suspending production altogether
Boeing will suspend 737 Max production in January
The company is to big too fail (their military division alone enjoys an all-but guaranteed eternal stream of orders from Uncle Sam, and Boeing is the biggest driver for the US economy and stock market), but their commercial airplane arm is in disarray at the moment.
And they only have themselves to blame. The level of past collusion with, and influence over the FAA they have enjoyed up until now is disgraceful. And the cunts still keep complaining to the WTO that Airbus has got launch aid loans from the EU a couple of times, and it’s oh so unfair and shouldn’t be allowed.
Widespread rumours that the MAX have more problems than just the MCAS issue have been circulating for a while, which would explain why the plane remains grounded with no concrete date for return to service. Now it seems Boeing is about to announce they’re suspending production altogether
Boeing will suspend 737 Max production in January
The company is to big too fail (their military division alone enjoys an all-but guaranteed eternal stream of orders from Uncle Sam, and Boeing is the biggest driver for the US economy and stock market), but their commercial airplane arm is in disarray at the moment.
And they only have themselves to blame. The level of past collusion with, and influence over the FAA they have enjoyed up until now is disgraceful. And the cunts still keep complaining to the WTO that Airbus has got launch aid loans from the EU a couple of times, and it’s oh so unfair and shouldn’t be allowed.
2hats
Dust.
Has 400 of them undelivered, sitting 'in storage' - some are actually parked in Boeing employee car parks.
planetgeli
There's no future in England's dreaming
More delays. Now looks like summer at the earliest. FAA not happy with being bullied apparently.
Pressure on FAA to approve its 737 Max jets backfires for Boeing
Pressure on FAA to approve its 737 Max jets backfires for Boeing
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Boeing have just sacked their CEO. I’m surprised it’s taken this long given not just the two crashes but his shocking mishandling oí the aftermath and the grounding of the MAX...
Boeing CEO departs as 737 MAX crisis deepens
Boeing CEO departs as 737 MAX crisis deepens
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Amid continuing uncertainty about when the MAX will be fixed and approved to return to service, Boeing has for the first time agreed that MAX pilots should receive some simulator training (as opposed to the much cheaper two-hour tutorial on an iPad they had done before).
www.cnbc.com
Hindsight is a wonderful thing, but apart from rushing the launch of of the MAX and producing a flawed product, if Boeing had at least come clean about the different handling characteristics of the MAX instead of passing it off as being almost the same as its predecessor (hiding the existence of MCAS from pilots in the process) for the sake of offering it at rock bottom prices with rock bottom training costs, almost certainly 346 people would be alive today.
Boeing used to be a proud engineering-driven company, but it seems since their merger with MD bean counters and short term stock price performance trump any other concern. Hopefully this shit show will force a change of philosophy at the top.
Boeing recommends simulator training for 737 Max, which could cause additional delays
The Federal Aviation Administration said it "will consider Boeing's recommendations for flight crew simulator training."
Hindsight is a wonderful thing, but apart from rushing the launch of of the MAX and producing a flawed product, if Boeing had at least come clean about the different handling characteristics of the MAX instead of passing it off as being almost the same as its predecessor (hiding the existence of MCAS from pilots in the process) for the sake of offering it at rock bottom prices with rock bottom training costs, almost certainly 346 people would be alive today.
Boeing used to be a proud engineering-driven company, but it seems since their merger with MD bean counters and short term stock price performance trump any other concern. Hopefully this shit show will force a change of philosophy at the top.
Blackout Bug: Boeing 737 cockpit screens go blank if pilots land on specific runways
Odd thing haunts Next Generation airliner family (not the infamous Max)
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Starry Wisdom
PlonkersBlackout Bug: Boeing 737 cockpit screens go blank if pilots land on specific runways
Odd thing haunts Next Generation airliner family (not the infamous Max)www.theregister.co.uk
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Wow. Ouch. Though well deserved...
www.thestar.com
Boeing faces $5 billion tab on 737 Max simulator training
The manufacturer on Tuesday said it had advised regulators that pilots need more than brief tablet-based training before flying the Max, reversing its previous stance in part because of revisions to the plane after two crashes killed 346 people.
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And a much bigger wow. The latest set of Boeing internal communications have been released, and it’s pretty horrendous at several levels...
www.google.com
Boeing Employees Mocked F.A.A. and ‘Clowns’ Who Designed 737 Max (Published 2020)
The company expressed regret at the embarrassing communications it sent to investigators on Thursday, which included a comment that “this airplane is designed by clowns, who are in turn supervised by monkeys.”
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
And a much bigger wow. The latest set of Boeing internal communications have been released, and it’s pretty horrendous at several levels...
Boeing Employees Mocked F.A.A. and ‘Clowns’ Who Designed 737 Max (Published 2020)
The company expressed regret at the embarrassing communications it sent to investigators on Thursday, which included a comment that “this airplane is designed by clowns, who are in turn supervised by monkeys.”
I really can't see this aircraft ever being certified to fly again. It's just one damning thing after another.
It really is a disaster in so many ways. First and foremost its about those who lost their lives and their families and friends. In more general terms though its a disaster for the wider airline industry and the people who work in it as this could and maybe will send some airlines to the wall. You could make a sort of argument that having less airlines means less planes which means better for the environment but I'm not sure this stacks up because it reality it just means airlines having to continue to use older and less fuel efficient planes because there is no alternative.
It really is an absolute mess with no real upside.
It really is an absolute mess with no real upside.
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Production stopped until the end of the year and no ungrounding before July at the earliest.
www.forbes.com
At least it seems that now Boeing has a new CEO, for the first time since the crisis began they have given a realistic appraisal of the situation, as opposed to misleading airlines and trying to bully the FAA by constantly claiming certification was just ‘a few weeks away’ throughout the last ten months.
Boeing May Not Restart 737 MAX Production Till Year-End After Pushing Back Plane’s Expected Return
Boeing's most vulnerable suppliers will come under greater stress with the plane maker's announcement that it doesn't expect regulators to clear the 737 MAX to return to service till the summer.
www.forbes.com
At least it seems that now Boeing has a new CEO, for the first time since the crisis began they have given a realistic appraisal of the situation, as opposed to misleading airlines and trying to bully the FAA by constantly claiming certification was just ‘a few weeks away’ throughout the last ten months.
Another day, another problem with the 737 Max. This incident seems to be something that goes in the 'Things that should never happen' box.
What is going on over there at Boeing?
737 Max: Debris found in new planes' fuel tanks
The discovery raises fresh concerns about potential safety issues for the US plane-making giant.
www.bbc.co.uk
What is going on over there at Boeing?
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The Ethiopian crash report is out, and it places the blame squarely on Boeing and on certain aspects of the MAX, no least they faulty AoA sensors and of course, MCAS.
On another site someone has been dissecting the report. There is some disturbing stuff in there. Such as
“For all speeds higher than 220 Kts and trim set at a value of 2.5 units, the difficulity level
of turning the manual trim wheel was level A (trim wheel not movable)."
So it seems the poor fuckers were doomed once MCAS started to turn the plane into lawn dart mode, as you would have needed Hulk to be on board to turn the manual trim wheel.
It also seems Boeing might have to do some recabling on every single MAX built to date. Some believe the air worthiness authorities might even demand the same of every 737 NG in service. I am starting to believe they’re going to pull the plug on the MAX sooner or later.
On another site someone has been dissecting the report. There is some disturbing stuff in there. Such as
“For all speeds higher than 220 Kts and trim set at a value of 2.5 units, the difficulity level
of turning the manual trim wheel was level A (trim wheel not movable)."
So it seems the poor fuckers were doomed once MCAS started to turn the plane into lawn dart mode, as you would have needed Hulk to be on board to turn the manual trim wheel.
It also seems Boeing might have to do some recabling on every single MAX built to date. Some believe the air worthiness authorities might even demand the same of every 737 NG in service. I am starting to believe they’re going to pull the plug on the MAX sooner or later.
DownwardDog
Riding a Brompton with a power meter.
Not being able to move the trim wheel had NOTHING to do with MCAS. The reason the Ethiopian crew couldn't move the trim wheel was that they never reduced power from the take off setting, exceeded the airframe's VNE speed and ignored all the alarms telling them that. Why did they do that?
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I didn’t mean MCAS caused the manual trim wheel to become inoperative- excessive speed caused that. What I meant is that once the MCAS started misbehaving the pilots had little chance of recovering, given the massively insufficient information and training Boeing offered regarding MCAS safe operation, and a last-resort manual trim wheel that was useless at speeds above 270 kts. Apparently the wheel on the MAX is smaller than on pre-NG models, which would have compounded the problem.
As to why the pilots took the actions they did, it’s worth bearing in mind that only a few weeks ago some US test pilots testing the new software on a MAX simulator massively struggled to keep the plane in the air during emergency scenarios. If very well trained and briefed pilots still have problems in a MAX emergency simulation, I’m not sure how much we can judge the actions that severely misinformed and undertrained pilots took while literally fighting for their lives, alarms blaring all around and trying to deactivate a system that kept pointing their nose to the ground.
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Another whistleblower has just come out of the woodwork to make fresh allegations about design flaws with the MAX, so we might be looking at additional delays before it's back in the air.
simpleflying.com
In a way Covid might have been a god-sent gift to the MAX program, because if Coronavirus hadn't happened and air travel was still at its pre-2020 levels, I think Boeing would have been on the very verge of pulling the plug by now. Which probably means it is a gift to Airbus as well, because if Boeing cut its losses and launched an all-new narrowbody aircraft, Toulouse would have to respond.
Boeing Engineer Claims Additional Design Flaws With 737 MAX
simpleflying.com
In a way Covid might have been a god-sent gift to the MAX program, because if Coronavirus hadn't happened and air travel was still at its pre-2020 levels, I think Boeing would have been on the very verge of pulling the plug by now. Which probably means it is a gift to Airbus as well, because if Boeing cut its losses and launched an all-new narrowbody aircraft, Toulouse would have to respond.
equationgirl
Respect my existence or expect my resistance
I doubt this is the last whistleblower to come out of the woodwork too.
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
Air India Express plane has crashed and split in two landing at Calicut during monsoon rains. 14 dead so far including the pilots.
It is three hours since this horrific thing happened and so far no news source names the aircraft type. They always name the aircraft type. There are pictures of the pilot who has died on AL Jazeera, but no mention of the aircraft type.
I know this carrier only operates one type of aircraft, which is why it is in this thread, not a Max, but why so coy???
It is three hours since this horrific thing happened and so far no news source names the aircraft type. They always name the aircraft type. There are pictures of the pilot who has died on AL Jazeera, but no mention of the aircraft type.
I know this carrier only operates one type of aircraft, which is why it is in this thread, not a Max, but why so coy???
planetgeli
There's no future in England's dreaming
Erm...
Kerala plane crash: 18 dead after Air India plane breaks in two at Calicut
The plane had 190 people on board and was repatriating Indians stranded by the coronavirus crisis.
www.bbc.co.uk
An Air India Express plane with 191 people on board has crashed at an airport in the southern state of Kerala, killing at least 16 people, officials say.
The Boeing 737, en route from Dubai,
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
Erm...
Kerala plane crash: 18 dead after Air India plane breaks in two at Calicut
The plane had 190 people on board and was repatriating Indians stranded by the coronavirus crisis.www.bbc.co.uk
An Air India Express plane with 191 people on board has crashed at an airport in the southern state of Kerala, killing at least 16 people, officials say.
The Boeing 737, en route from Dubai,
OK, just updated. Was BBC that I first saw well over an hour ago and no mention, plus Al J, CNN, Guardian, Mirror and Mail. Hence the post.
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
Oddly I got invited to complete a survey by the FAA today on my thoughts of the 737 Max going back in to service. Deleted the email tho.
Beginning to look very much like the airport itself was the problem combined with bad weather. A tabletop runway which had been the subject of several warnings plus the runway was seemingly in poor condition with repairs not being carried out as instructed. A pointless waste of life.
