Epistemology

[i-am-your-idea]

This thread:

truth is always just out of reach- like that little dogs tail. we chase it about, but can never pin it down. and too much chasing makes you dizzy.

peaceful dogs give up chasing altogether and realise they are never going to get it.

 

[max_freakout]

In which case, you cannot know that nothing is knowable.

exactly

 

[max_freakout]

Oh I don't know, I've certainly gained some knowledge from this thread.

wisdom, not knowledge

 

[Dillinger4]

truth is always just out of reach- like that little dogs tail. we chase it about, but can never pin it down. and too much chasing makes you dizzy.

peaceful dogs give up chasing altogether and realise they are never going to get it.

It is a little like Ouroboros:

 

[Dillinger4]

I wouldn't call it wisdom, max.

All this thread has banged the phrase "knowledge is impossible" into my brain, without any discussion of why, what its implications are, etc etc. Nothing. I like talking about philosophy, not soundbites.

 

[i-am-your-idea]

it is interesting that people have just thrown empty attacks at 'knowledge is impossible'
and nobody has explained why they think it is possible.

if knowledge is impossible, then we have no need for evidence to back up the statement.

you, however believe knowledge is possible, so you ought to back that up with some facts!

 

[Dillinger4]

I have said it before, I don't disagree with you. I just think its lazy to keep repeating yourself.

 

[max_freakout]

I wouldn't call it wisdom, max.

that's what socrates' called it

All this thread has banged the phrase "knowledge is impossible" into my brain, without any discussion of why, what its implications are, etc etc. Nothing. I like talking about philosophy, not soundbites.

it is *obvious* why, because you could never know, what do you think the implications are?

 

[max_freakout]

It is a little like Ouroboros:

it is exactly like ouroboros

the mysterious inevitability

 

[Dillinger4]

Let me guess. That knowledge is impossible. So knowledge is impossible. But isn't knowledge impossible?

I reckon this thread has another ten pages of absolute tedious waffle left in it.

 

[max_freakout]

Let me guess. That knowledge is impossible. So knowledge is impossible. But isn't knowledge impossible?

I reckon this thread has another ten pages of absolute tedious waffle left in it.

i made the point i wanted to make ages ago, so im totally satisfied with this thread


but it is clear some people are still denying the obvious

 

[Dillinger4]

And I don't think Socrates would make any such claim.

What do you think of Socratic Irony, Max?

 

[Dillinger4]

i made the point i wanted to make ages ago, so im totally satisfied with this thread


but it is clear some people are still denying the obvious

Woah woah woah.

Don't you be thinking I am one of those people.

I will have you know I disagree with the entire project of Philosophy from Socrates onwards, and that any talk of knowledge being impossible is a category error made on the mistakes made in the past.

 

[max_freakout]

And I don't think Socrates would make any such claim.

he made that exact claim, it is one of his most famous quotes, and i have repeated it many times in this thread

What do you think of Socratic Irony, Max?

i think the whole technique of Plato's philosophy is completely incredible, and it has great implications for the subject of this thread

 

[bluestreak]

I have said it before, I don't disagree with you. I just think its lazy to keep repeating yourself.

Questioning Max Freakout IS disagreeing with Max Freakout. Report to The Abyss for retraining in the "Because I said so" school of question answering.

 

[Dillinger4]

Sorry, I have not seen it. I was under the Impression that Socrates asked questions, instead of making any kind of claim about the world.

You don't have an opinion on Socratic Irony then? Shame.

 

[max_freakout]

Woah woah woah.

Don't you be thinking I am one of those people.

I will have you know I disagree with the entire project of Philosophy from Socrates onwards, and that any talk of knowledge being impossible is a category error made on the mistakes made in the past.

i very much agree with you, except i think that the category error lies in our attempts at understanding ancient greek philosophy and culture, not in any errors they made

it was a work of genius to point out that "wisdom is knowing that i know nothing"


im not sure philosophy has had a project since socrates

 

[bluestreak]

it is interesting that people have just thrown empty attacks at 'knowledge is impossible'
and nobody has explained why they think it is possible.

if knowledge is impossible, then we have no need for evidence to back up the statement.

you, however believe knowledge is possible, so you ought to back that up with some facts!

Good grief, how old are you, 12?

There are plenty of reasons why knowledge may be possible, many of which has been touched on this thread. There are plenty of reasons why knowledge may not be possible, not a single one of which has been posited by either you or your master.

 

[Dillinger4]

Exactly. ^^

 

[butchersapron]

Is this *really* the worst *philosophy* thread ever?

 

[max_freakout]

Sorry, I have not seen it. I was under the Impression that Socrates asked questions, instead of making any kind of claim about the world.

you must have done, it is the central point in
plato's epistemology, socrates said, many many times, that wisdom is awareness of complete ignorance

he didnt just ask questions (except in certain limited dialogues)

 

[bluestreak]

Is this *really* the worst *philosophy* thread ever?

Almost certainly.

Thirty pages and not once has max offered a single piece of justification for his assertion. Shame on us for continuing it really.

 

[max_freakout]

There are plenty of reasons why knowledge may be possible, many of which has been touched on this thread. There are plenty of reasons why knowledge may not be possible, not a single one of which has been posited by either you or your master.

there are no reasons why knowledge may be possible, because it isnt

 

[Dillinger4]

Is this *really* the worst *philosophy* thread ever?

By a country mile.

 

[max_freakout]

Thirty pages and not once has max offered a single piece of justification for his assertion. Shame on us for continuing it really.

this assertion is impossible to justify, because it is claiming that justification is impossible

the burden is on those who think knowledge is possible, to say how it could possibly be, how they can refute the sceptic

 

[Dillinger4]

there are no reasons why knowledge may be possible, because it isnt

I think you have said that a few times already, max. It still means fuck all. Its just some empty words. Appropriate really.

 

[bluestreak]

there are no reasons why knowledge may be possible, because it isnt

Nice open questioning mind there. You're an embarrassment to the very notion of philosophy.

 

[max_freakout]

I think you have said that a few times already, max. It still means fuck all. Its just some empty words. Appropriate really.

bluestreak disagrees with you and evidently thinks knowledge is possible somehow

 

[Dillinger4]

this assertion is impossible to justify, because it is claiming that justification is impossible

the burden is on those who think knowledge is possible, to say how it could possibly be, how they can refute the sceptic

Nobody can refute the skeptic. But because you cannot refute a claim does not make it true.

CF Scientific Method.

What do you think of 9/11 and conspiracy theories, max? do you think that being able to deny that the planes were holograms makes it true?

I mean there is plenty of stuff we cannot refute. So what?

And even so, what difference do such claims actually make to human existence? What does it matter to anybody, whether an irrefutable claim is true or not?

I fully expect you not to engage with another post and repeat the same line again.

 

[Dillinger4]

bluestreak disagrees with you and evidently thinks knowledge is possible somehow

So what? I am not arrogant enough to say he is wrong.

Skepticism is a the cave. And you have put yourself right in there.