Epistemology

[max_freakout]

Oh, one can always be mistaken.

about anything, because knowledge is impossible

 

[max_freakout]

To say that "nothing is everything is a knowledge!"

to know that one knows nothing

 

[cannislupus]

doubting is being uncertain if you know.......

which is not to know, to realize the impossibility of knowing


the side effect is insanity

" to know the impossibility of knowledge is a knowledge" Therefore there would be nothing to doubt for...

 

[max_freakout]

" to know the impossibility of knowledge is a knowledge" Therefore there would be nothing to doubt for...

nothing and everything to doubt for

 

[Jonti]

about anything, because knowledge is impossible

Well, that's your theory.

But you know nothing.

 

[i-am-your-idea]

its not a theory, is it?

 

[Jonti]

So, what is it you cannot doubt?

 

[i-am-your-idea]

everything is wide open to be doubted

 

[cannislupus]

i dont think he was ever really a sceptic!

He set out to prove knowledge, not to be annihilated by impossibility of knowledge

Then it could mean he wasn't decent!

 

[cannislupus]

nothing and everything to doubt for

İf you have a certain knowledge that "knowledge is impossible" Then why would you be doubting and what for?

 

[i-am-your-idea]

Then it could mean he wasn't decent!

LOL!

 

[i-am-your-idea]

İf you have a certain knowledge that "knowledge is impossible" Then why would you be doubting and what for?

its not certain knowledge, knowledge is impossible.

its a spiralling paradox.

 

[cannislupus]

its not certain knowledge, knowledge is impossible.

its a spiralling paradox.

I think its a statement pointing to some kind of truth that knowledge cannot be gained.

 

[bodach]

flirting.

 

[cannislupus]

"not knowable" is a statement to make adressing the certainity that nothing could ever be known...

 

[Aldebaran]

Ah, here's something else that will do nicely. A sound premise; correct logic, result!

mmm.. except that doubting inevitably is the result of thinking.

salaam.

 

[Aldebaran]

I was not referring to any specific point of view. I simply say is it possible not to have any kind of knowledge? İncluding that you don't know?

Clustered recap of my posts in this thread on the issue "knowledge"(I posted that in Dillinger's thread but he is on study-ban)

There is no knowledge, only the suggestion thereof.
The "of" is what people imagine to be knowledge, which in fact is only a self- suggestion, hence doesn't exist outside the mind of the individual.

Knowledge is not an illusion because somewhere it resides, out of reach for the human mind. That is the only problem.
Knowledge is an eternal absolute, a beginning and endmark, unchangeable.
That is why it is out of reach for the human mind and hence should be treated as non-existent.

There is no truth possible without knowledge, let alone an "obvious" truth. Would it be obvious everyone would know it.

Belief can't equate " to know" in no matter which sense. They are quite the opposite of eachother.
Belief is not knowledge and can't be knowledge or there would not be the requirement for belief to exist. And since knowledge doesn't exist, only the suggestion thereof, belief is all there is.
Would I have knowledge, I wouldn't need experience (which induces belief) nor belief.

That doesn't exclude that neverthless suggestions of knowledge or aspects thereof can be of use or can be and are used.
People don't need the word "knowledge" to imagine possessment of what it is supposed to mean to those who do use it . Even people who don't know the word "knowledge" will live under the delusion of having what is understood by using it. They believe to have knowledge.
There is no knowledge needed for being a thinking thing... You "are" as often as you think you are.

I never said or shall ever claim that conclusion=knowledge.
If you want, you can prove me wrong on all of it.

salaam.

 

[bodach]

mmm.. except that doubting inevitably is the result of thinking.

salaam.

can you have doubt without knowledge.

 

[Aldebaran]

can you have doubt without knowledge.

Of course. See post above yours.

salaam.

 

[Aldebaran]

This is pretty much what everyone but the grasshoppers is saying, in many different ways. A scientist might put it: Knowledge is something we strive for, but never quite achieve. We can never be certain.

The difference being that far too often scientists reasons that knowledge is within reach, if only humans strive long enough.

salaam.

 

[bodach]

The difference being that far too often scientists reasons that knowledge is within reach, if only humans strive long enough.

salaam.

Strive.

 

[max_freakout]

"not knowable" is a statement to make adressing the certainity that nothing could ever be known...

Absolutely

Nothing is knowable

 

[max_freakout]

I think its a statement pointing to some kind of truth that knowledge cannot be gained.

it points to the truth that there cannot be truth

 

[max_freakout]

İf you have a certain knowledge that "knowledge is impossible" Then why would you be doubting and what for?

you cant have certain knowledge that knowledge is impossible!

 

[bodach]

you cant have certain knowledge that knowledge is impossible!

after 34 pages, max, you don't know.

 

[max_freakout]

after 34 pages, max, you don't know.

we didnt know at page 1, this argument has been pointless, except to show that epistemology is pointless

 

[bluestreak]

Oh I don't know, I've certainly gained some knowledge from this thread.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Nothing is knowable

In which case, you cannot know that nothing is knowable.

Best keep quiet in such circumstances, eh - you'll just end up sounding silly.

 

[Dillinger4]

Max? Sound silly? Dont be absurd.

This thread:

 

[Jonti]

mmm.. except that doubting inevitably is the result of thinking.

salaam.

Excellent stuff, most excellent!

I've no doubt one can think too much. There is palpably more to us than just thought.