Epistemology

[bodach]

How will I know when I know?

I guess that you wouldn't doubt anymore!

I like the word 'guess'.

 

[cannislupus]

no, but the existence of what you are striving for, is a necessary condition for the striving to have any meaning


so what is the meaning of epistemology? The meaning of the meaningless?

İf you would know what are you striving for; you would't strive anymore!

 

[max_freakout]

How will I know when I know?

I guess that you wouldn't doubt anymore!

Im thinking of it the other way round

That you could never know when you know

the sceptic will never be defeated

because sceptisism justifies its own being, self-justifying paradox

and the existence of the sceptic reveals that epistemology is also self-justifying paradox

 

[Jonti]

You know nothing, so why don't you keep quiet?

 

[max_freakout]

İf you would know what are you striving for; you would't strive anymore!

if you knew that what you were striving for didn't exist, what would you do then?

Nothing?

 

[max_freakout]

You know nothing, so why don't you keep quiet?

what about you?

 

[bodach]

if you knew that what you were striving for didn't exist, what would you do then?

Nothing?

Ok, bring nothing on.

 

[cannislupus]

Im thinking of it the other way round

That you could never know when you know

the sceptic will never be defeated

because sceptisism justifies its own being, self-justifying paradox

and the existence of the sceptic reveals that epistemology is also self-justifying paradox

İn the case of knowing sceptic would stop doubting( As Rene did!)

 

[max_freakout]

İn the case of knowing sceptic would stop doubting( As Rene did!)

Rene stopped doubting because he convinced himself that it was certain that he existed

Therefore he was not a sceptic, he believed that he was certain to exist

He was denying the impossibility of knowledge, unlike Socrates

 

[max_freakout]

Ok, bring nothing on.

if knowledge is impossible, then nothing is everything

 

[cannislupus]

if you knew that what you were striving for didn't exist, what would you do then?

Nothing?

I don't think it would be a choice "not to do anything" Even suicide would be an attempt or "not to do anything!"

 

[bodach]

He was denying the impossibility of knowledge, unlike Socrates

Was he a catholic?

 

[max_freakout]

I don't think it would be a choice "not to do anything" Even suicide would be an attempt or "not to do anything!"

suicide would be the ultimate proof to myself that i can 'do' something!


There is no knower, and therefore no doer

it is impossible to 'do', because it is impossible to know that I am doing

 

[max_freakout]

to do nothing = not to do anything

 

[Jonti]

"I doubt, therefore I am"

Ah, here's something else that will do nicely. A sound premise; correct logic, result!

 

[max_freakout]

Was he a catholic?

catholic or something like that.....

he was a 'church-fearer'

 

[Jonti]

You know nothing max (you say it yourself), so just keep quiet, eh?

 

[max_freakout]

Ah, here's something else that will do nicely. A sound premise; correct logic, result!

That is Sartre

do i know that i doubt? How can i?

 

[cannislupus]

Rene stopped doubting because he convinced himself that it was certain that he existed

Therefore he was not a sceptic, he believed that he was certain to exist

He was denying the impossibility of knowledge, unlike Socrates

Previously he was; and then he thought he knew that he wouldn't doubt anymore! And then we lost him as a valuable sceptic who could be contributing great beneficial knowledge to humanity...

 

[max_freakout]

You know nothing max (you say it yourself), so just keep quiet, eh?

Do you know anything?

 

[Jonti]

if knowledge is impossible, then nothing is everything

</ illogical grasshopper noise>

 

[max_freakout]

Previously he was; and then he thought he knew that he wouldn't doubt anymore! And then we lost him as a valuable sceptic who could be contributing great beneficial knowledge to humanity...

i dont think he was ever really a sceptic!

He set out to prove knowledge, not to be annihilated by impossibility of knowledge

 

[Jonti]

Do you know anything?

Of course I do you freakin' clown. Have you not understood anything at all?

 

[cannislupus]

suicide would be the ultimate proof to myself that i can 'do' something!


There is no knower, and therefore no doer

it is impossible to 'do', because it is impossible to know that I am doing

So how can you powerfully claim you could commit suicide as an act in this case?

 

[max_freakout]

So how can you powerfully claim you could commit suicide as an act in this case?

you cannot act

 

[max_freakout]

Of course I do you freakin' clown. Have you not understood anything at all?

How do you know that it is knowledge and not belief?

 

[cannislupus]

That is Sartre

do i know that i doubt? How can i?

Because doubting is not having the real possession of knowledge and you have the side effects...

 

[max_freakout]

Because doubting is not having the real possession of knowledge and you have the side effects...

doubting is being uncertain if you know.......

which is not to know, to realize the impossibility of knowing


the side effect is insanity

 

[Jonti]

Oh, one can always be mistaken.

How confident do you feel that you can even use logic correctly?

 

[cannislupus]

</ illogical grasshopper noise>

To say that "nothing is everything is a knowledge!"