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but wittgenstein did not solve the conundrum of epistemology, and did not have any effect on the drive of epistemologers to try and solve it, in other words, his work has not persuaded epistemologers to give up on their attempt to find a solution, and his work is certainly known to epistemologers

Oh yes, excellent conclusions made from all the Wittgenstein you have read.

Or is it just more spoon fed lazy thoughts from the epistemology textbook you own?
 
so my point is as 'proven' as it could possibly be

Not to my mind, max.

What you've done is to prove that 'certainty' cannot exist.

Knowledge is the possession of relative information.

There's no judgement on where it is correct or not. One can 'know' two completely contradictory things that cannot possibly co-exist, for example. It's possible to know that low cholesterol is good for you.. and also know that it is bad for you. You choose which to believe based on the perspective you have.

However this also means that relative certainty is possible. Without this we wouldn't be able to operate.

Nothing is unsayable.. everything is relative. Certainty is impossible, knowledge is relative certainty of information.

Relative certainty is belief.

Knowledge is belief.
 
but wittgenstein did not solve the conundrum of epistemology, and did not have any effect on the drive of epistemologers to try and solve it, in other words, his work has not persuaded epistemologers to give up on their attempt to find a solution, and his work is certainly known to epistemologers
Wide, sweeping and wrong-headed claims made by a poorly-informed person who claims to know nothing. Wonderful.

Who are these epistemologers of whom you speak? What do they believe? Names, addresses and quotations please.
 
Wide, sweeping and wrong-headed claims made by a poorly-informed person who claims to know nothing. Wonderful.

i said right at the start of the thread, that i am not making a claim


Who are these epistemologers of whom you speak? What do they believe? Names, addresses and quotations please.

addresses? lol :D


i am referring to every epistemologist, the people who make up the field of academic epistemology, for example, any of the authors in the books mntioned at the start of this thread
 
another
"proposition logic has content -- it tells us things about the world that we don't assume in our premises"
 
Sorry, I'm laughing too much.

I need to work on my feelings of compassion for lame grasshoppers.
 
are you claiming that knowledge is possible without certainty?

It isnt, the statement:

"I know p to be true, but p isnt certain to be true"

is contradictory
Fuck that, I think that all the time.

As for your claims, you have made dozens of claims about epistemologists, what they believe, why they believe it, and why they ought to believe something else. You're up to your neck in claims.
 
another
"proposition logic has content -- it tells us things about the world that we don't assume in our premises"

proposition and other logic is a game play, it learns how to reason within a pre-defined frame. Nothing more. Never saw much fun in doing it, it is utterly boring.

salaam.
 
"This is not a sentence"

"This is not a claim"

"This statement is untrue"

"No statement can be true"

"No statement can be certain"

Heh!
 
I don't need to know what is ....

No you don't. You only have to bring yourself to accept it. That means you learn how to step outside your pre-defined self-constructed, limited and limiting frame of reasoning. That is all there is to it.

salaam.
 
Thanks for the lesson, but ...

"Learning is impossible" because "knowledge is impossible"

LOL
 
Thanks for the lesson, but ...

"Learning is impossible" because "knowledge is impossible"

LOL

Ha. I never said learning is impossible.
How do you come to connect that with "having knowledge is impossible " is anyone's guess. (Maybe you could check the other thread.)

salaam.
 
proposition and other logic is a game play, it learns how to reason within a pre-defined frame. Nothing more. Never saw much fun in doing it, it is utterly boring...
I also don't understand why max has repeatedly resorted to using propositional logic :confused:
 
It really comes down to whether you want to play empty word games of pseudo-profundity; or whether you want to learn about the world.

Amusing as word-games may be, I'm more interested in the real world.
 
It really comes down to whether you want to play empty word games of pseudo-profundity; or whether you actullay want to learn about the world.

Amusing as word-games may be, I'm more interested in the real world.

Itis not about word games. It is about what matters to get insight in the world *as is*.

salaam.
 
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