bluestreak
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Max, I have a question, how did you come to this understanding of the obviousness. why is true knowledge impossible?
Epistemology
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i-am-your-idea
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the different wings of the paradox are only as limiting as you make them.
i-am-your-idea
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that sounds a like a grasshopper thing.
thanks mate! i stole the 'wings of the paradox' bit from cohen. he is very grasshopper-ish.
i just read this by him-
'Sometimes just before I fall asleep, my mind seems to go out on a path the width of a thread and of endless length, a thread that is the same colour as the night. Out, out along the narrow highway sails my mind, driven by curiousity, luminous with acceptance, far and out like a feathered hook whipped deep into the light above the stream by a magnificent cast. Somewhere, out of my reach, my control, the hook unbends into a spear, the spear shears itself into a needle, and the needle sews the world together.'
he goes on like this, sewing bits of the world together, feeling the unity and that. then one of the characters says 'a smirk of universal acceptance is very disagreeable on the face of a young man.' !
reminded me of you lot on urban
thanks mate! i stole the 'wings of the paradox' bit from cohen. he is very grasshopper-ish.
i just read this by him-
'Sometimes just before I fall asleep, my mind seems to go out on a path the width of a thread and of endless length, a thread that is the same colour as the night. Out, out along the narrow highway sails my mind, driven by curiousity, luminous with acceptance, far and out like a feathered hook whipped deep into the light above the stream by a magnificent cast. Somewhere, out of my reach, my control, the hook unbends into a spear, the spear shears itself into a needle, and the needle sews the world together.'
he goes on like this, sewing bits of the world together, feeling the unity and that. then one of the characters says 'a smirk of universal acceptance is very disagreeable on the face of a young man.' !
reminded me of you lot on urban
excellent post there.
Max, this must be the third pr fourth time you have completely failed to grasp what I'm saying - not in some deep philosophical way, but just understanding the meaning of the words. This, combined with the the fact that you think Wittgenstein wasn't concerned with epistemology because he doesn't appear in your introduction to epistemology text, leads me to believe that you don't really know what you're talking about.
Dillinger4
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*yawns*
i-am-your-idea
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Dillinger4
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I dont think you answered me before, I-am-your-idea.
Could you respond to whatever you think about that wittgenstein quote please?
Could you respond to whatever you think about that wittgenstein quote please?
i-am-your-idea
pretty vacant
Dillinger4
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Oh yes. There are no questions and answers. The very lack of their existence proves everything.
*yawn* though. That is the idiots way out.
*yawn* though. That is the idiots way out.
max_freakout
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wittgenstein does not direclty address epistemological sceptisism in that quote
personally i think there is a question to be asked in this case
the question is something like "how could knowledge be possible?"
Dillinger4
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Then there is an answer, something can be said. You have nothing to say. Literally.
max_freakout
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i didnt say that, i have studied epistemology at great depth, and wittgenstein doesnt appear in ANY epistemology book, even the really advanced ones
remember this thread has been motivated by the existence of an 'epistemology' section in a good library, well you wont find wittgenstein in this section because he wasnt an epistemologer
Dillinger4
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FFS why I am back here arguing with you two AGAIN? I have real work to do.
i-am-your-idea
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Dillinger4
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Sometimes, books, in librarys, they deal with one area, and actually cover other areas at the same time.
Can you imagine it?
Dillinger4
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I am leaving this thread.
You two cant think yourselves out of the sceptical box you have put yourselves inside. Because you are intellectually blind, you cannot see all the walls around you and are bleating "omg the box doesn't exist".
You two cant think yourselves out of the sceptical box you have put yourselves inside. Because you are intellectually blind, you cannot see all the walls around you and are bleating "omg the box doesn't exist".
max_freakout
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knowledge is impossible
calling it 'true knowledge' is pointless, there is no type of knowledge which isnt true, so you only need to call it 'knowledge'
max_freakout
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as i said much earlier in this thread, the only way out of this is willful ignorance
for example, saying "im leaving this thread"
because knowledge really is impossible
max_freakout
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Sometimes, books, in librarys, they deal with one area, and actually cover other areas at the same time.
Can you imagine it?
the epistemology section wont have anything by wittgenstein, ive looked......
Dillinger4
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Max.
You are so fucking stupid, I almost threw my computer out of the window in a rage.
Sometimes books in one section cover other sections as well.
A philosopher like Wittgenstein affects much of philosophy.
And for what its worth, I agree, Epistemology is a complete dead end, filled with dunces who don't realize what they are encountering. It relies on numerous conceptions of mind plagued with problems that repeat themselves all over the place.
max_freakout
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Right, but try telling that to an epistemologer, the discipline of epistemology continues regardless, banging its head against the wall, in denial of the simple fact that knowledge is impossible
Dillinger4
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I am no epistemologer, but I know the feeling of banging ones head against a wall.
In the slim confines of epistemology as you concieve it, knowledge is most certainly impossible.
If you go and read my Heidegger.. thread, you will see that such questions need not even exist. IMO obviously.
max_freakout
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it hurts and it doesnt get you anywhere, but OTOH it can provide some temporary relief from problems
not as 'I' conceive it, as it is conceived, there is no alternative conception of epistemology
I have, but it does not address the implications of the impossibility of knowledge
bluestreak
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Not the answer to the question I asked.
The question is "why is [true or otherwise] knowledge impossible"?
max_freakout
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because for any proposition p which you believe to be true, you couldnt know if p was true or not
i-am-your-idea
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imagine people are talking about an impossible creature.
'this creature is totally possible!'
'how?'
i dont know! it has to be true, doesnt it? sooo true.
'how so?'
'... well, i dont know, but you dont seem to have any evidence to say it isnt!'
'oh gee, i dont! you must be right!'
'this creature is totally possible!'
'how?'
i dont know! it has to be true, doesnt it? sooo true.
'how so?'
'... well, i dont know, but you dont seem to have any evidence to say it isnt!'
'oh gee, i dont! you must be right!'
