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Entirely unashamed anti car propaganda, and the more the better.

Well you're properly rural and probably have very few neighbours. You get some sort of exemption to use it in certain places. We're talking about people who are classified as 'rural' but live in settlements of several thousand people.
I live in a town of seven and a half thousand people, we get a single decker bus once every thirty minutes Mon-Sat and hourly on Sunday, they're going to have to lay on a LOT more to make many converts around here.
 
They obviously have, the only problem being people who don't own a car or can't drive. Perhaps we need to offer free cars and driving lessons to people who need them and slash petrol prices. Free taxis for blind and drunk people etc. Funded by scrapping all buses and not having done Crossrail/HS2.
Maybe you could use larger vehicles than standard taxis and see if any of the people are going in the same direction at the same sort of time. Bound to work out cheaper and safer.
 
I live in a town of seven and a half thousand people, we get a single decker bus once every thirty minutes Mon-Sat and hourly on Sunday, they're going to have to lay on a LOT more to make many converts around here.
What percentage of the population is dependant on them? Probably less than 20% right? So a bus every six minutes or buses every twelve minutes on two routes once private cars are removed.
 
Anyone who can see that private cars clearly haven't solved transport needs outside cities.
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They clearly have solved transport needs outside cities.
The only use for a bike outside a city is for exercise. There are other ways to exercise without endangering yourself on a public road.
Buses would have to be massively subsidised to work in rural areas, and they'd be far worse for the environment than private cars.
 
Maybe you could use larger vehicles than standard taxis and see if any of the people are going in the same direction at the same sort of time. Bound to work out cheaper and safer.

Like rural buses now you mean? Not many people want to go from Rural Location A to Random Location B at the same time, because not many people live in Rural Location A.
 
Maybe you could use larger vehicles than standard taxis and see if any of the people are going in the same direction at the same sort of time. Bound to work out cheaper and safer.
That's your problem they're not. In a city of millions there's bound to be lots of people want to go the same place as you, to the point you can have buses, trains and trams. Here not so much. We get a bus every half hour that follows one route through the town. In fact since they are going in alternate directions it would be more accurate to say we get one bus an hour with a choice of two destinations (a small city and a large town) you can get other buses onwards but journey times just go up and up.
 
Like rural buses now you mean? Not many people want to go from Rural Location A to Random Location B at the same time, because not many people live in Rural Location A.
So jobs and start times, shop locations and opening times etc. are randomly distributed throughout the countryside? Or is it the case that the majority of people are using cars to do the same or similar journeys individually?
 
So jobs and start times, shop locations and opening times etc. are randomly distributed throughout the countryside? Or is it the case that the majority of people are using cars to do the same or similar journeys individually?

Not randomly but broadly enough that a bus service will never be able to serve most people as well as car ownership, and no, it’s not the case.
 
That's your problem they're not. In a city of millions there's bound to be lots of people want to go the same place as you, to the point you can have buses, trains and trams. Here not so much. We get a bus every half hour that follows one route through the town. In fact since they are going in alternate directions it would be more accurate to say we get one bus an hour with a choice of two destinations (a small city and a large town) you can get other buses onwards but journey times just go up and up.
Without going outside, you may know the whole world.
Without looking through the window, you may see the ways of heaven.
The farther you go, the less you know.

Thus the sage knows without travelling;
He sees without looking;
He works without doing.

Unless someone can invent a form of transport with a genuinely low environmental impact pretty soon we're all going to have to get used to travelling less.
 
So jobs and start times, shop locations and opening times etc. are randomly distributed throughout the countryside? Or is it the case that the majority of people are using cars to do the same or similar journeys individually?
You think that everyone leads the exact same life, and all go shopping at the exact same time on the same day?
 
You think that everyone leads the exact same life, and all go shopping at the exact same time on the same day?
I think that only a relatively small percentage of people worldwide have a lot of choice in when and where they're travelling and that for most people most of the time, travel is an expense and a liability. You're a very lucky person living where you do and solutions that you see as rights are not attainable for the majority of the world's population.

Or maybe everyone should move to rural Ireland?
 
I think that only a relatively small percentage of people worldwide have a lot of choice in when and where they're travelling and that for most people most of the time, travel is an expense and a liability. You're a very lucky person living where you do and solutions that you see as rights are not attainable for the majority of the world's population.

Or maybe everyone should move to rural Ireland?
Thank you for making my point. So now we agree that it's unfeasible to expect everyone to travel at the same time, and that people do need to travel, it's surely obvious that buses aren't the answer in rural areas?
The only places where buses make sense is cities. The vast majority of the planet isn't cities.
 
Thank you for making my point. So now we agree that it's unfeasible to expect everyone to travel at the same time, and that people do need to travel, it's surely obvious that buses aren't the answer in rural areas?
The only places where buses make sense is cities. The vast majority of the planet isn't cities.
Most of the planet may not be cities but over three quarters of the world population is urban. Also, define rural. Is a town of seven thousand rural? Because the vast majority of the part of the UK population defined as rural live in settlements of several thousand people. Enough to run a fairly decent public transport system when it's one that everyone uses.
 
Most of the planet may not be cities but over three quarters of the world population is urban. Also, define rural. Is a town of seven thousand rural? Because the vast majority of the part of the UK population defined as rural live in settlements of several thousand people. Enough to run a fairly decent public transport system when it's one that everyone uses.
I'd say several thousand people is nowhere near enough to run a viable public transport system, especially now with the advent of EVs.
 
I'd say several thousand people is nowhere near enough to run a viable public transport system, especially now with the advent of EVs.
What have EVs got to do with it? Current batteries are unsustainable and the vast majority of the power comes from fossil fuels.
 
Emissions per mile per person. Significantly lower than those of an empty bus.
Not lower than an electric bus. And far from emission free. Tyre particles still flying about killing people in town and fossil fuel emissions still contributing to global warming. Not currently much of a solution at all.
 
Sadly that's only a small proportion of UK child asthma deaths. Non exhaust emissions are a genuine health hazard and contribute more to air pollution than exhaust emissions.

Most PM2.5s that children are exposed to come from non-car sources such as cooking, arable agriculture and the sea.
 
I thought we were talking about the UK, but you’re still stuck in your London bubble I see.
Or central Birmingham, Bradford, Stoke or Manchester then. Most people live in cities. Poor people more so. Poor people also tend to live in the most polluted parts of cities.
 
Not randomly but broadly enough that a bus service will never be able to serve most people as well as car ownership, and no, it’s not the case.
There's a difference between a town of seven and a half thousand and a village or farm in the middle of know where. With the former there will almost certainly be a large number of people heading to a nearby town of similar or larger size at least twice a day.
 
There's a difference between a town of seven and a half thousand and a village or farm in the middle of know where. With the former there will almost certainly be a large number of people heading to a nearby town of similar or larger size at least twice a day.

Even if not a bus route that goes from a-d and passes rural area b and c frequently enough means people will get on the bus, especially young people.

The figures for what type of car journeys people take are quite impressive though.

  • 20% of journeys in Britain are under 1 mile (a distance easily cycled in around 5 minutes);
  • 38% are under 2 miles (a distance easily cycled in around 10 minutes);
  • 66% are under 5 miles (a distance easily cycled in around 25 minutes).

 
Even if not a bus route that goes from a-d and passes rural area b and c frequently enough means people will get on the bus, especially young people.

The figures for what type of car journeys people take are quite impressive though.



I think they're a bit generous with the easily there for the five miles time.
A lot though not all of those journeys could be eliminated without major hardship. It's worth mentioning that a miles journey in a car could be a lot further or shorter than making that journey by foot or bike. Around here people make a lot of short trips due to parking issues as well.
 
Or central Birmingham, Bradford, Stoke or Manchester then. Most people live in cities. Poor people more so. Poor people also tend to live in the most polluted parts of cities.

I bet the number of deaths from flying tyre particles is less than the number of deaths from cooking, the sea and agriculture, even in Birmingham.

Shouldn't we restrict those things too? If we replace cars with buses because of tyre particles surely we should replace individualistic home cooking with deliveries from a centralised facility, to stop the kids at home dying from cooking particles.
 
Even if not a bus route that goes from a-d and passes rural area b and c frequently enough means people will get on the bus, especially young people.

The figures for what type of car journeys people take are quite impressive though.




"Easily" for some people in some situations, but there are obviously loads of times when completing such a journey by bike will simply not be an option.
 
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