Entirely unashamed anti car propaganda, and the more the better.
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maomao
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That doesn't make sense. Jimmy Hill/itchy chin is a playground saying suggesting someone is making something up, whereas I'm pretty sure you're just too thick to understand what I've said.
maomao
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There'd be no point. Drivers don't actually object to the safety aspect of cyclists jumping red lights, they object to the emasculation they experience every time a cyclist violates one of their red-bulbed road phalluses.
maomao
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You're just making a fool of yourself now. It's a bit pathetic really.
Artaxerxes
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It's a straw man, we can excuse the deaths, pollution, speeding and general sense of danger of driving because cyclists run red lights. What aboutism at its finest.
Cyclist runs a red light it's a dead cyclist, probably an injured pedestrian. Car runs a red light it's all of the above and potentially worse.
T & P
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That’s irrelevant to the claim that the great majority of London cyclists don’t jump at least some red lights on a regular basis though, which is what maomao was stating.
I have myself said plenty of times I don’t mind at all cyclists jumping some red lights in certain circumstances. It can be done safely, just as some other infractions committed by drivers can be executed just as safely in the right circumstances. But as far as the actual issue of whether the majority of cyclists in London jump red lights routinely, it is blatantly absurd to claim they don’t. To state otherwise is bordering on Trumpian delusion territory, frankly.
maomao
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Luckily no-one said anything of the sort; it was a transparently loaded but mathematically true statement designed to trap thickos and it got three of them.
But that's still not quite true, a significant minority jump a lot and the average human has been so conditioned to both acceptance of motor vehicle primacy and hatred towards cyclists that they willingly ignore motorists transgressions and amplify those of cyclists. And with you it's so you can get away with claiming that speeding isn't a problem when it clearly is and kills and injures far more.
Chz
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Have to admit, even with the appalling drivers around here, it's rare I see one jump ahead of the light turning green. No, most of the fuckers just don't stop for a red in the first place because it was amber about 10 seconds ago. The worst sites are always outside of schools, too.
maomao
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I've seen someone killed by a black cab driver sticking his foot down the second the light turned orange while people were still crossing. Didn't hit her very hard but her head hit the ground.
But yes, most car drivers who jump red lights do it in the first couple of seconds of red (and usually accelerating) which is far more dangerous but less blatant than a cyclist crossing during a quiet part of the red phase.
Yep - so many accelerate through on red.
liquidindian
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Speaking of majorities, some actual stats on lawbreaking rather than what some bloke, like, reckons.
platinumsage
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Didn't we discuss this quite a few pages back and decide that they didn't use a random sample of road locations, but rather particular places that were problematic, so the graphs don't represent what they claim to represent.
To be honest, whatever it is measuring, I am not happy at all that, in particular, professional drivers of massive HGVs are not obeying speed limits, and particularly 20mph speed limits. And the number obeying 20mph wherever that is measured is pretty much zero.
platinumsage
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The 20mph marker is in the wrong place on the Rigid Heavy Goods Vehicles graph, so it's a bit more than near-zero.
liquidindian
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"Free flowing", ie places where speeding hasn't been designed out. So it's telling us that drivers only break the law where it's possible to break the law.
maomao
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Is a problematic place somewhere where speedometers don't work or something? Sounds like a motorists' version of blaming NATO for Putin's invasion to me.
platinumsage
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Alternatively, it's telling us that drivers break the law on those sections of speed-limited road where the hazards that necessitated the speed limit aren't present.
Ah, well spotted.
Still, 75% of rigid HGV drivers and 85% of articulated HGVs drivers are exceeding the 20mph speed limit, which is appalling.
liquidindian
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I think the regular word is "people".
