Why are you using the third person?
Entirely unashamed anti car propaganda, and the more the better.
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Artaxerxes
Look out, he's got a gnu!
Which of you did this?
T & P
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“The alliance of British drivers worked to get Livingstons congestion charge rolled back”
What ?
Unless the cyclists dinner has been buried deep in the earth for hundreds of millions of years it doesn’t matter.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
The only time I've ever voted for a Tory was for Boris, to kick wife-beater Livingstone out so he couldn't expand the congestion charging zone.
It worked
platinumsage
HaveMyPassword123
Surely a cyclist is using more calories and consequently eating more than a driver, and that food requires fossil fuels to produce and transport.
maomao
普費斯
Wasn't that calculation made on the basis of the cyclist eating nothing but free range beef etc.?
The only time I've ever voted for a Tory was for Boris, to kick wife-beater Livingstone out so he couldn't expand the congestion charging zone.
It worked
It wasn’t rolled back though was it ?
platinumsage
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This is the original claim:
"The supposed dangers of manmade global warming from excess carbon dioxide (CO2) generation is often used as an argument for junking new road construction projects and otherwise discouraging car use. But in Europe someone has actually done the calculations!
Bicycles: 4 adults cycle 5 miles to work at an average speed of 8mph, time taken 38 mins (0.63hr).Exercise breathing rate: 6 cub metres/hour, so cyclists exhale 4 x 6 x 0.63 = 15.1 cub metres air.
Exhaled air contains 4% carbon dioxide (CO2), 1 cubic metre exhaled air contains 73.3g CO2. So the amount of CO2 exhaled by the four cyclists is 15.1 x 73.3 = 1108 g.
Car: Four adults travel by car, travelling 5 miles at average 22mph, time taken14 mins (0.23hour). At-rest adult breathing rate is 0.4 cub
metres/ hour. So four adults in car exhale 4 x 0.4 x 0.23 cubic metres air = 0.37 cub metres air. 0.37 cubic metres exhaled air, 4% CO2, contains 0.37 x 73.3 = 27g CO2. The car exhaust emits 215g CO2 per mile (modern, high mpg), so CO2 emitted is 5 x 215 =1075g. Total CO2 emitted by car and 4 seated adults is 1075 + 27 = 1102g. (from Bernard Abrams)
No difference! Those sweaty people on bicycles emit as much CO2 into the air as a car."
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Haha
it wasn’t extended westwards but seem to remember that having more to do with Madonna through her to toys out of the pram than the ABD.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
And they smell worse.
beesonthewhatnow
going deaf for a living
Average speed of 8mph for the bike? Lol, no.
T & P
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Indeed. That average speed would suggest that cyclists actually stop for traffic lights and respect regulations governing one-way streets or cycling on pavements in their journeys.
maomao
普費斯
More motorists than cyclists jump red lights.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
i don't think i've seen any motorists jump a red light (bar emergency services, of course) for quite some time, but among cyclists it is common.
maomao
普費斯
I see it daily because I look at the traffic light not the pedestrian crossing but Google it if you don't believe me.
beesonthewhatnow
going deaf for a living
Again, lol. I ride on the roads, and stop at all lights. The simple truth is that is city traffic I’m just way, way faster than any car.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
so how many cars a day do you see jumping red lights? 1? 5? 10? 50? i'm talking about traffic lights, not about pedestrian crossings for the obvious reason that that's what people jumping red lights jump
maomao
普費斯
Eh? Do you even know what a pedestrian crossing is?
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
yes. just to make it plain to you i'm talking about cars going through lights that for them are red, not them going through lights that for pedestrians are red, whether these lights are at a pedestrian crossing or a junction
maomao
普費斯
No shit. So am I. You don't seem to know what a pedestrian crossing is and you haven't come back with any statistics to say I'm wrong so not sure I can be arsed with this.
platinumsage
HaveMyPassword123
No one cares that you cycle faster than 8mph, the example simple chose 8mph for the bicycles and 22mph for a car, with no indication those might even be average speeds.
T & P
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Anyone who lives or frequents London will know that the absolute overwhelming majority of cyclists jump at least some traffic lights on a daily basis, while a sizeable majority of drivers never or very, very rarely do. It's the pinnacle of absurdity to claim otherwise.
If any fewer than 95% of London cyclists jump red lights at least once in every single journey they take, I'll eat my fucking hat. No, make that 98%.
If any fewer than 95% of London cyclists jump red lights at least once in every single journey they take, I'll eat my fucking hat. No, make that 98%.
cupid_stunt
Chief seagull hater & farmerbarleymow's nemesis.
Err, it was you that made this frankly bonkers claim -
- it's for you to come up with stats to prove your claim, not for others to disprove it, that's how things tend to work around here.
maomao
普費斯
And yet people have clearly asserted the opposite all over the thread, in fact you are right now, and never been asked for proof.
platinumsage
HaveMyPassword123
More train drivers per vehicle go through red lights than car drivers or cyclists.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
There are as you ought to know six sorts of pedestrian crossings although here I'm only referring to the ones with traffic lights. You haven't come out with any stats so I don't think you're really in a position to be arsy about this
