Employed to be given council house "priority"

[weltweit]

The problem is, where are the jobs going to come from.

I mean where in the UK..

And then are there enough houses in that region to house the workers

And will they move there for the jobs?

 

[_angel_]

It's a bit rich coming from tories who are creating as much unemployment as they possibly can do.

 

[trevhagl]

Where will the unemployed live.... ?

All those ex MPs convicted of Fraud and leaving her majesties pleasure ...

Where oh where will they live ?

the unemployed will live in overpriced private accomodation and make up the shortfall in rent with their massive £65 a week allowance

 

[trevhagl]

It's a bit rich coming from tories who are creating as much unemployment as they possibly can do.

well this and the fact that most work is agency based so does that mean every time you get laid off you gotta quit the property? fucks sake, these people that make the rules are supposed to be intelligent

 

[treelover]

Can't believe the Labour council in Manchester have brought this in, reading the document it is NL incarnate, what about disabled people(soon to be re-invented as 'fit for work') sickening thing many of these LP councillors, etc will be marching there today against the cuts.

 

[trevhagl]

Can't believe the Labour council in Manchester have brought this in, what about disabled people(soon to be re-invented as 'fit for work') sickening thing many of these LP councillors, etc will be marching there today against the cuts.

i have never seen such a hopeless situation where all 3 main parties DETEST the poor

 

[treelover]

btw, this is what NL/Tory/LD 'localism' is all about: allowing local councils to pursue very radical R/W policies out of the glare of the national media spotlight/scrutiny(well sometimes) I expect to see more of it especially in relation to welfare, which is the holy grail for localists, eg parish relief..

 

[_angel_]

Can't believe the Labour council in Manchester have brought this in, reading the document it is NL incarnate, what about disabled people(soon to be re-invented as 'fit for work') sickening thing many of these LP councillors, etc will be marching there today against the cuts.

They will be the people that people like pk can look down on as should be working for less than the minimum wage.

 

[Jackobi]

...out of the glare of the national media spotlight/scrutiny(well sometimes)...

I just wrote to the BBC about the Manchester policy, so it may get some coverage.

 

[likesfish]

at the moment only the people with the very very most needs have a hope of hell of getting housed by the council in brighton.
basically if you work your fucked rents are really high and you've no hope of social housing as not in priority need.
But be a complete screwup you get housed
That doesn't play well with voters or tenants who non locals and scewups get housing but their kids can't.
The answer is too build more social housing but while waiting for that maybe given ordinary poor people a chance to access social housing is a good thing.
Or should social housing only be for benift claiments as the ops are suggesting?

 

[Jackobi]

...basically if you work your fucked rents are really high and you've no hope of social housing as not in priority need.

Or should social housing only be for benift claiments as the ops are suggesting?

You seem to think that the unemployed receive priority over the employed, which has never been the case.

Housing need should be the priority, not employment status.

 

[treelover]

'Or should social housing only be for benift claiments as the ops are suggesting?'

where will they go then, the fucking workhouse? we are going backwards...

 

[weltweit]

Strange and misguided..

 

[Oswaldtwistle]

People who have to get up for work tend not to spend the night screaming at each other.

Statisically you are correct. People with jobs are less likely to engage in ASB and crime.

I personally would take into account not just employment but give 'bonus points' for having no unspent criminal convictions too. That *could* be introduced now, IMHO


(btw my contributions come not just from Geography text books and statistics but also from several years living in the Mackworth and Abbey areas of inner city Derby)

 

[oryx]

how many dysfucntional nightmare people live in mortgaged propertys?

Absolutely loads.

 

[nino_savatte]

I don't think likesfish has ever heard of Mr Trebus
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edmund_Trebus

 

[oryx]

Is there any such thing as council housing since Labour insisted on stock transfers due to their lack of belief in the principle of public borrowing for legally required improvements?

There's still loads of council housing - just in S London, Greenwich, Croydon and Wandsworth all still own and manage their own stock (probably what's left of it in Wandsworth's case ). There are probably others I don't know about without checking (think the same may apply to Merton & Bexley but I've got to tidy the house no rather than google, unfortunately!!).

 

[oryx]

I don't think likesfish has ever heard of Mr Trebus
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edmund_Trebus

 

[binka]

considering likesfish is an advocate of genocide i don't think anyone should be surprised by his views on this topic

 

[Geri]

My colleague applied for social housing, and was surprised they turned her down...because she already owns her own house

 

[Voley]

how many dysfucntional nightmare people live in mortgaged propertys?

Loads. I've had to move house because of a nightmare neighbour that lived in their own property.

Or should social housing only be for benift claiments as the ops are suggesting?

I haven't seen that suggested on this thread.

The reason that these 'dysfunctional types' that you hate so much are seemingly the only ones getting housed is because we've a housing crisis in this country. To get rehoused you have to be in priority need and that often means people with major health issues etc. It doesn't follow that they're all going to be trashing the place and fucking everyone over. Some will, sure, but many won't. There are plenty of people rehoused who don't hassle the neighbours and live on an estate perfectly reasonably. You don't hear about them because they don't hassle the neighbours and live on an estate perfectly reasonably, funnily enough.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Surprised not to see a thread on this already.

Chances of it going through?


Westminster council may give employed housing priority

People in employment would be prioritised on Westminster's council house waiting list

People in employment could be given priority in getting a council house over those who are unemployed, Westminster council has said.

The Conservative-run council said the policy was designed "to reward those who are in jobs".

But Labour councillor Guthrie McKie said: "To discriminate against people for being unemployed is disgusting."

A decision on the proposals will be made in February. If approved, plans will be implemented by April.

The council said the proposal was "designed to recognise positive contributions to society, reward those who are in jobs and to encourage those who are not currently employed to seek work".

Under the council's plans, working households will be defined as those where the main applicant or their partner are in work, have a permanent or temporary contract or are self-employed.

People who would be prioritised must have been working for a minimum of two years.

But Mr McKie said: "I don't think its a good policy.

"There should be a level playing field. We are in a climate of unemployment increasing.

"This policy is driven by political ideology, not the need to resolve problems with social cohesion in the region."

Westminster cabinet member for housing, Councillor Philippa Roe, said: "We want to introduce a system which is fairer to local people and rewards those in employment.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-12309895

Grandstanding.

"Re-prioritising" housing priority away from need would give Westminster (or any other council) an explosion of street homelessness that'd make the late '80s and early '90s look like a cakewalk by comparison.

 

[ViolentPanda]

We are all "employed" to some degree. It's all about proving it. For the records, like.

Sorry but if you're able bodied/minded, child-free, young, fit and single in London claiming HB and JSA, it's time to learn about the art of washing pots for £3.60 per hour.

The world does not work like your mum's house. Grow up or go hungry.

Well hooray for every exploitative cunt in the UK, if people had to live by your rules.

Like you could live on £ 3.60 an hour, even working an 80 hour week.

Get a fucking grip!

 

[ViolentPanda]

Where will the unemployed live.... ?

All those ex MPs convicted of Fraud and leaving her majesties pleasure ...

Where oh where will they live ?

On the pavements and in doorways and alleys.

 

[ViolentPanda]

What? ffs pk nothing.

The benefit trap is just that... a trap.

Fuck it off.

Don't ever fucking moan about the system not working if you're not working.

This is about people who have been cheated, don't discriminate.

We all need our pillow at night but I'm fucked if I'll see a working class family sleep rough because some smart-arse student's grabbed a 2 bed for knowing how to fill out a few forms.

Which misses the point that council housing is allocated by need, not by having filled out forms. Smart-arse students don't get social housing.

 

[ViolentPanda]

I don't really understand the policy - or what pk is saying .. also ..

I would have thought what we don't want anywhere is ghettoes...

It would be better if working and unemployed mixed together than if whole areas were ghettoes of the unemployed. Where in Westminster are the unemployed supposed to live exactly.. Wandsworth?

Wandsworth and Westminster both have form for "exporting" their homeless to other authorities, anyway. They've pretty much started "ghettoising" the unemployed in both those boroughs anyway.

 

[ViolentPanda]

I suspect the Tories would just love for them to live in prison, or in segregated communities in the middle of nowhere... Or both.

Concentration camps for the unemployed?

Not quite. I believe the appropriate term is "work camp" or "re-education facility".

 

[treelover]

Remember it's Labour controlled Manchester Council as well

 

[_angel_]

The bit about needing 2 b in work 4 2 yrs is hypocritical given tories want people 2 move into short term work

 

[trevhagl]

The bit about needing 2 b in work 4 2 yrs is hypocritical given tories want people 2 move into short term work

there probably isn't ANY pertmanent jobs in my local job centre