Employed to be given council house "priority"

[Open Sauce]

I don't really understand the policy - or what pk is saying .. also ..

I would have thought what we don't want anywhere is ghettoes...

It would be better if working and unemployed mixed together than if whole areas were ghettoes of the unemployed. Where in Westminster are the unemployed supposed to live exactly.. Wandsworth?

Who is this 'we', certainly not 'them'

They want ghettoes, they want the unemployed outside the city centre, do you realise how much property is worth in Westminster?

I wonder how they have covered themselves against gerrymandering claims, Westminster has history. Guess it has been done before

http://www.independent.co.uk/opinio...ann-hari-welcome-to-cameron-land-1962318.html

 

[girasol]

Where will the unemployed live.... ?

All those ex MPs convicted of Fraud and leaving her majesties pleasure ...

Where oh where will they live ?

I suspect the Tories would just love for them to live in prison, or in segregated communities in the middle of nowhere... Or both.

Concentration camps for the unemployed?

 

[Blagsta]

We are all "employed" to some degree. It's all about proving it. For the records, like.

Sorry but if you're able bodied/minded, child-free, young, fit and single in London claiming HB and JSA, it's time to learn about the art of washing pots for £3.60 per hour.

The world does not work like your mum's house. Grow up or go hungry.

Dickhead

 

[taffboy gwyrdd]

In 13 years Labour persued more privatisations and private involvement via PFI. They failed to even nationalise the railways. They weren't inheriting tory positions - they were wilfully carrying them out with stern lectures about "dinasours" for anyone who opposed them. In fact, less council housing was built under Labour than under the tories. Your excuses for them are way too flimsy, but that's another thread.

 

[nino_savatte]

This sounds like it comes from the foetid brain of Stephen Greenhalgh, the Dear Leader of Hammersmith & Fulham Council and his pal, John Moss at Localis, the Tory think-tank.

A duty to house and a duty to help.This sets out to define the role of social housing, separating
this between a duty to house physically those who cannot act
for themselves through age, infirmity or disability, from a
duty to help those in need, but who can act on their own
behalf to secure a suitable home in the market, through
funding and advice to the individual.This requires a move to
near market rents and higher income subsidies, with a corresponding fall in capital subsidies over time and simplified
structures to provide clarity to claimants and incentives to
keep increases in the cost to taxpayers within current expenditure levels
http://www.localis.org.uk/images/articles/Localis Principles for Social Housing Reform WEB.pdf

They also refer to social housing as "welfare housing". Greenhalgh has gone on record as saying that he wants more rich people to move into H&F. To do this, he plans to bulldoze the West Kensington, White City, Queen Caroline and Gibbs Green estates to make way for 'mixed' housing.

 

[inferno]

That's fucking rich it's the tory cunts that have put people out of work in the first place, and then say if these people WON'T work why should they have a house.

Same old fucking tory bullshit

 

[Oswaldtwistle]

there are a lot fewer jobs than people.

Exactly. And therein lies the rub.

I have to be honest, though, my objection to this is more about timing than principle. If this was proposed when the economy is stronger, then I think it would be at least worth considering.


There are without a doubt some fucking shitty jobs out there, and some fucking shitty employers. But in principle I've no objection to the idea that those who can work should try to find a job.

I certainly think this is a better idea than the one being proposed by central government to kick people out of social housing if they earn too much.

 

[Psychonaut]

people who stay on JSA for a year are to face a 10% housing benefit cut IIRC.

so its kick people out of social housing if they get a job, and kick them out if they dont get a job.

 

[nino_savatte]

This will lead to shanty towns. Wtf is it with these fucking bastards?

 

[Thora]

Hang on is this at the same time as wanting to kick out employed tenants for the crime of earning too much???

Get a job, don't get a job - dunno whether we're coming or going

 

[girasol]

Basically the government (that also applies to Labour, they are all the same) wants us voters to do all the horrible shitty jobs those career politicians wouldn't dream of doing, and live in crap houses, and not complain about anything, and never go on strike either. As long as they get paid ££ for doing their jobs, all is well.

 

[likesfish]

tough titty this policy is already happening on my estate thank fuck.
I don't want a neighbour who has "issues" whose kids run amock at 3am smashing up car mirrors etc or scream at each other around midnight People who have to get up for work tend not to spend the night screaming at each other.

 

[nino_savatte]

Whoosh! Over his head.

 

[Blagsta]

tough titty this policy is already happening on my estate thank fuck.
I don't want a neighbour who has "issues" whose kids run amock at 3am smashing up car mirrors etc or scream at each other around midnight People who have to get up for work tend not to spend the night screaming at each other.

Dickhead

 

[weltweit]

I think people should realise (in that council) that there is no shame in being unemployed.

There are after all fewer jobs than job seekers at the moment.

And people are being made redundant - through no fault of their own.

 

[likesfish]

fuck off cunt when you've had the "pleasure" of some nightmare family living next door and the mayhem they bring then talk some people can't live with others.
although westminster council are doing it because their wankers. The idea that council estates should not fill up with the worst of the worst is a good one.

 

[Voley]

The idea that council estates should not fill up with the worst of the worst is a good one.

The unemployed are not 'the worst of the worst'.

 

[weltweit]

The fact that we have long term unemployed is more of concern to me than short term unemployed.

If everyone who was unemployed was only in that state for 3 months I don't think there would be a problem, but some people go many years without any kind of job. I think that is the most serious thing.

 

[stethoscope]

fuck off cunt when you've had the "pleasure" of some nightmare family living next door and the mayhem they bring then talk some people can't live with others.

Nice leap from unemployed to 'nightmare neighbours' there...

 

[weltweit]

The unemployed are not 'the worst of the worst'.

No, but I know what likesfish means. He/she does not want to live next to disfunctional families when he is trying to get a good nights sleep for work in the morning.

 

[isvicthere?]

No, but I know what likesfish means. He/she does not want to live next to disfunctional families when he is trying to get a good nights sleep for work in the morning.

And this has anything remotely to do with the OP because?....

 

[Jackobi]

This policy is being introduced in Manchester in a couple of days, if the applicant or any person of a joint application is working, higher priority is given.

"Working household

You are a 'working household' if:

* you or anyone moving with you has a job - it can be permanent, temporary, or self-employed; and
* that person is aged 18 or over; and
* they work for at least16 hours a week; and
* they have worked for at least nine out of the last 12 months.

This will put you in a higher band for homes that are rented out using the City Council's rehousing rules anywhere in the city."

Manchester City Council

 

[weltweit]

And this has anything remotely to do with the OP because?....

you would have to ask likesfish about that!

 

[weltweit]

This policy is being introduced in Manchester in a couple of days, if the applicant or any person of a joint application is working, higher priority is given.
...

Where are they getting this idea from?

 

[Jackobi]

I don't know where the idea is from, but has been in the pipeline for at least six months, it was originally set to be introduced in Nov 2010, but got delayed until Feb 2011.

 

[likesfish]

would'nt have classed the "family" as unemployed more unemployable underclass or whatever the latest pc description is.
left a fortnight after we moved in house took 6 months to be servicable again.
Think the idea is to bring back mixed neighbourhoods priorty need sounds great to you fill up a street with "vulnerable" tenants and then you realize you've created a ghetto.
bringing estates back so the social mix is more working than not is a good idea.

 

[nino_savatte]

And who says "dysfunctional types" don't live in private rented properties or in mortgaged properties? Fucks sake how intellectually feeble can you get?

 

[Jackobi]

"Labour councillor Guthrie McKie said: "To discriminate against people for being unemployed is disgusting.""

Obviously the southern Labour party members are not in tune with some of their northern counterparts who have embraced the change in policy.

 

[likesfish]

its points based think you should get more points for being employed than say getting out of jail.
nobodys walking into social housing in brighton I waited 6 years for a council house.
how many dysfucntional nightmare people live in mortgaged propertys?

 

[_angel_]

"Labour councillor Guthrie McKie said: "To discriminate against people for being unemployed is disgusting.""

Obviously the southern Labour party members are not in tune with some of their northern counterparts who have embraced the change in policy.

This was Caroline Flints idea wasn't it?

Oh and likefish it won't just be nightmare neighbours who get targetted by this, but single parents, carers, disabled people thrown onto JSA and off disability benefits.