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Electric cars
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They're tearing out public charge points here to get the copper.
DownwardDog
Riding a Brompton with a power meter.
My experience is that the type of systems that adorn modern cars are very reliable and reasonably easy to diagnose when they fail. It's still things like rust and transmission failures that write cars off.
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My work’s mindblowingly reliable Suzuki Carry minivan continues to serve us without a single mechanical failure in 21 years. But as its bodywork bears many scars and it’s not exactly a glamorous vehicle, the boss has decided to replace it with an electric van.
We don’t need anything as big as even a standard Transit-sized van for 95% of our needs, so I’ve suggested to him this beauty. I think it looks the dog’s bollocks
Sixty fucking grand, though
We don’t need anything as big as even a standard Transit-sized van for 95% of our needs, so I’ve suggested to him this beauty. I think it looks the dog’s bollocks
Sixty fucking grand, though
Looby
Well-Known Member
I’m waiting to lease the passenger model but it’s been massively delayed which is annoying.My work’s mindblowingly reliable Suzuki Carry minivan continues to serve us without a single mechanical failure in 21 years. But as its bodywork bears many scars and it’s not exactly a glamorous vehicle, the boss has decided to replace it with an electric van.
We don’t need anything as big as even a standard Transit-sized van for 95% of our needs, so I’ve suggested to him this beauty. I think it looks the dog’s bollocks
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Sixty fucking grand, though
I absolutely loved it on my test drive.
Chz
Stark Raving Sane
The word seems to be that you'll want that wait while they get the kinks out. It's a general rule not to buy the first year of anything, but now that cars are primarily software driven... maybe wait a bit longer. Though some of the problems just seem to be VW's UX designers utterly losing their minds.
Just be grateful it doesn't have the ID.4's problems. A left and right window control where you then have to flick a switch to choose between front and rear windows. Flat touch controls on the steering wheel with zero user feedback when you accidentally brush them. I've no idea how that sort of shit made it into production cars, but it's not a giant surprise that VW is not having a good time right now.
Just be grateful it doesn't have the ID.4's problems. A left and right window control where you then have to flick a switch to choose between front and rear windows. Flat touch controls on the steering wheel with zero user feedback when you accidentally brush them. I've no idea how that sort of shit made it into production cars, but it's not a giant surprise that VW is not having a good time right now.
dessiato
4 years and I still cry sometimes
We get our first PHEV on Tuesday. I'm already disappointed by its performance compared to the Golf. But the golf is a GTD and this is a "standard" SUV with no sporting pretensions. That aside its a 71 plate with FSH and only 12750 miles. Paying a bit over the odds because we're getting it from the VW main dealership.
hash tag
Books, not bombs
We might be falling out of love with EVs
www.theguardian.com
Four years after buying an electric car, why I am still forced to play hunt-the-charger? | Ros Coward
I assumed it would get easier to run an EV, but without a decent infrastructure it’s getting harder and harder
hash tag
Books, not bombs
Incidentally, I looked at another car on Saturday, which just happened to be an MHEV. The mileage was good, price affordable but spec wasn't quite right. Mrs tag has given the green light so if and when the right one comes along that's what we will be doing. The MHEV was a pure coincidence.
Chz
Stark Raving Sane
I wish they'd stop calling them hybrids. It's a great way to cheat the standardised fuel consumption tests, but does bugger all in real life for the most part. Unlike a proper hybrid. I know someone who has the two years later version of my own car, after they added "mild hybrid" to it. Utterly no difference between the two, with a slight advantage to me in mpg because my driving style is more economical.
Edit to add: Advertising Standards Ireland even banned a car manufacturer from claiming their mild hybrid was more efficient, because there was zero evidence that it was true.
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pseudonarcissus
fluttering and dancing
Im getting old..all cars look the same. What make of car is that? jCT600 was a Saab dealership in Leeds back in the day, but I’m not sure Saab exists anymore.
DownwardDog
Riding a Brompton with a power meter.
It's a Cupra Formentor, Cupra being a VAG sub-sub-brand that didn't really need to exist but apparently does.
pseudonarcissus
fluttering and dancing
Thank you, that makes it..clear.
I hope I’ve bought my last ICE car..maybe I can buy the forthcoming Renault 5 as something familiar when I next need a new vehicle
pseudonarcissus
fluttering and dancing
I did ride in a BYB (brink your bottle?) recently and it seemed very nice. We seem to have skipped Tesla down here and got Chinese EVs. The former consul general had an electric jaguar which was fine until you went out of the city and discovered there were no chargers at petrol stations.
dessiato
4 years and I still cry sometimes
BYD stands for Build Your Dreams apparently. That alone puts me off having one.
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
Fuck is that thing???
Silas Loom
Man with glasses
It looks as if it could be driven in whatever direction one fancies, like a pushmipullu.
Leafster
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It’s a Citroen Ami. It’s considered a quadricycle rather than a car.
The front and rear sections are identical but with different lights. Even the doors are identical with one being hinged at the front and the other at the rear. It’s to save on production costs.
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Books, not bombs
You can pick one up for £5000. Go anywhere in the city in a fully enclosed electric vehicle. What's not to like.
Chz
Stark Raving Sane
But how many people never leave the city? For 95% of people, it's inappropriate as a primary car* and I really think that we shouldn't promote multiple vehicle ownership.
* Try going 28mph (Ami's top speed) out of town and you're going to cause a lot of road rage. The Ami also has, compared to a proper car, absolutely pathetic passenger protection and you'll get turned to bloody paste if someone hits you at extra-urban speeds.
hash tag
Books, not bombs
95%, you are kidding. Loads of people round here have a huge car for the nanny to take the ankle biters to school, amongst other things. Many cars journeys are less than 5 miles and the cars often have a single occupant. Sticking with the small EVs, I see there is a new baby one coming out.
In a totally different vein, questioning their green credentials.
About 500,000 trees cut down at site of Tesla gigafactory near Berlin
Satellite image analysis shows 329 hectares of forest cleared during development of factory in Germany
Chz
Stark Raving Sane
I am not kidding. People aren't going to spend £8k on a primary vehicle that they can't drive out of town. Doesn't matter that 95% of your journeys (by number) are fine for it, it's that other 5% and that other 5% generally accounts for more than 50% of the mileage that the vehicle does.95%, you are kidding. Loads of people round here have a huge car for the nanny to take the ankle biters to school, amongst other things. Many cars journeys are less than 5 miles and the cars often have a single occupant. Sticking with the small EVs, I see there is a new baby one coming out.
In a totally different vein, questioning their green credentials.
About 500,000 trees cut down at site of Tesla gigafactory near Berlin
Satellite image analysis shows 329 hectares of forest cleared during development of factory in Germany
Your mention of nanny vehicles is exactly what I was railing against. More cars are bad. Ami or Range Rover, we should not encourage people to own multiple vehicles. In 2024, any solution that ends up with more cars on the road is untenable.
hash tag
Books, not bombs
The abuses are starting to leak out now, amongst other things. There are a few reasons why Chinese cars are cheap so no surprises about their human rights abuses.
inews.co.uk
How electric cars fuel human rights abuses
Electric car makers risk supply chains which expose workers and local communities to exploitation, as mines needed for the battery metals expand
inews.co.uk
Leafster
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I agree that electric vehicle manufacturers need to be vigilant regarding their supply chains but that applies to all manufacturers of every product.The abuses are starting to leak out now, amongst other things. There are a few reasons why Chinese cars are cheap so no surprises about their human rights abuses.
How electric cars fuel human rights abuses
Electric car makers risk supply chains which expose workers and local communities to exploitation, as mines needed for the battery metals expand
Hasn't the explosive growth of smart phones also fuelled human rights abuses? They all have batteries too. Any cordless product has a battery which could be contributing to human rights abuses.
And, of course, the oil and gas industry have never been involved in human rights abuses.
hash tag
Books, not bombs
Sure, some companies are cleaner than other but It wasn't just the human rights abuses. The report was also highlighting all the new mines which could be opening over the next few years which also highlights that EVs might not be as green as people believe them to be.I agree that electric vehicle manufacturers need to be vigilant regarding their supply chains but that applies to all manufacturers of every product.
Hasn't the explosive growth of smart phones also fuelled human rights abuses? They all have batteries too. Any cordless product has a battery which could be contributing to human rights abuses.
And, of course, the oil and gas industry have never been involved in human rights abuses.
dessiato
4 years and I still cry sometimes
I absolutely love my PHEV, but am appalled by how poor the fuel consumption is on a long run.
Edinburgh return, so running on petrol most of the time, returned 41mpg, my Golf diesel on the same run would average 58mpg. Around town and on short runs I get 182mpg from the PHEV so, of course, I'll win greatly on this. However, I've spent a very much larger amount on the new car, the economics don't make much sense.
Edinburgh return, so running on petrol most of the time, returned 41mpg, my Golf diesel on the same run would average 58mpg. Around town and on short runs I get 182mpg from the PHEV so, of course, I'll win greatly on this. However, I've spent a very much larger amount on the new car, the economics don't make much sense.
