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19force8 said:
The AFN report of Dover is interesting for what it doesn’t say. You’d think 150 “locals and AFN” were the only anti-fascists in Dover that day. Not the story my kids tell, which includes an anti-fascist photographer being hunted down, kicked and beaten with a scaffolding pole. Similarly, at Liverpool when AFN gets kettled and breaks out it’s heroic, but when UAF does, it’s pathetic. Everyone does biased reporting.
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The report linked to above is about another rally in Dover - in September 2016. The photographer got beaten (not with a scaffold tube) in January 2016. The figures of about 150 anti-fascists from out of town and locals are about right.
 
Nigel said:
Unfortunately this doesn't appear to be true !
Still look they can pull over a thousand people (a lot who should know better) !
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Quite a few gaps at the back in the higher seats to be fair. Wonder what the SWP made of the call to get involved in the coomunity,residents associations and Council meetings?
 
Nigel said:
AFN now are all Anarchists ?
Where I am the majority are in Labour Party now, another in Green Party and two autonomists !

Socialist Party/YRE and similar groups & individuals in and around them have acted completely differently in the context of anti fascism/racism and commendably in at least two confrontations; Aylesbury & Coventry, at Slough SP members chose to stay with those blocking E D L rather than being sidelined by UAF who wished to stand on sidelines & two comrades from SP were arrested after activity in Welling 2009 with other militant anti fascists !
Don't try to dirty the waters in some hope of trying to make out that this is some kind of sectarian dig.
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This is getting tedious - you wobble all over the place, making unsustainable statements, refusing to answer when called on them, and shifting your ground.

Did anyone say AFN were all anarchists? The point was that the reports you linked to were partial and biased.[Edit - well one was, see below]

I apologise for the sectarian dig at the SP, I didn't realise they were so committed to "militant" anti-fascism nowadays. I must admit I've kind of lost touch with them since I moved a few years back. True there's a member in my town though I don't see him much and being a similar age/build to me he's unlikely to be up for much militancy anyway. So they had two members arrested in 2009, I didn't know that. Kudos.
 
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Red Sky said:
The report linked to above is about another rally in Dover - in September 2016. The photographer got beaten (not with a scaffold tube) in January 2016. The figures of about 150 anti-fascists from out of town and locals are about right.
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Fair point, my mistake on both counts.
 
I think i posted earlier in the thread if you can find it- it was mashalled by the EDL IIRC- marches and shit in Sunderland. I think the blokes accused had to be moved to another location when it started to get nasty. hardly reported in the press. google justice for chelsey - but will bring up mostly EDL links
 
Nigel said:
Probably not the best organised activity !
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Just looking at the footage and they hung around too long . Game as fuck but badly outnumbered . In and out ....and no colours....would have been much better but, cest la vie .

Cest la guerre.

At least his mates stuck by the lad .
 
Casually Red said:
Just looking at the footage and they hung around too long . Game as fuck but badly outnumbered . In and out ....and no colours....would have been much better but, cest la vie .

Cest la guerre.

At least his mates stuck by the lad .
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Fair play for having a go I suppose but it looks like an amble up to the shop, then someone throws a smoke flare and everyone runs off.

Somebody's unlucky enough to get stuck at the back.
 
Red Sky said:
The North East has (with a couple of exceptions) generally been a bit of a black hole for anti fascism recently.
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And this incident won't help that either, locals came out to defend the shop.this wasn't organised anti fascism just some kids wound up by him on YouTube and Twitter.Added to that is some stuff about some Celtic supporters singing about Lee Rigby .
 
The39thStep said:
I think its about confronting the Islamacist mileu as well as the would be jihaddists.Heres a few ideas to start the discusion with, other posters will probably have better ideas.

I think the starting point would be to acknowledge the fact that more working class people are worried about Islamic terrorism than they are about nazis issue and a notice of intent that anti fascism is about confronting all forms of fascism.

1) being at the forefront of opposing any Islamic Society at University that promotes or supports jihaadism or uses quotes from speakers that do ie Durham University last month,
2) gather intelligence about where Islamacists give out leaflets or have stalls , confront and expose them
3) expose and challange the Islamacists on social media like Twitter and Facebook
4)start a dialogue with those who maybe patriotic but are not fascist setting out what your position is regarding the Islamaicsts and the jihaadists. Get a foot in the door with the thousands like that black bloke who out argued the woman in Manchester on YouTube.
5) start a dialogue with those activists who are muslim about raising the profile of opposition, support those who oppose the Islamacists
6) dont be scared to call out the backwardness of conservative Islam and proudly defend values of equality, fraternity and working class unity
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and here is something that I also support
Peter Tatchell: Title
 
EDL having some kind of march in Keighley today, the cunts just delayed my train to leeds.

There's a massive police presence for the cunts.
 
so?
they (uaf) just stand there chanting with banners and preaching to the converted, go where plod tell them then pat themselves on back and fuck off home early
ime they don't walk the walk, they just talk a good game and take over demos, swappie style
 
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