EDL watch

[malatesta32]

i think the lad in white stepped in when some EDL had a go at an antifash photog and got nicked. the photog was unscathed but bad luck for the guy. oh well ...

 

[krink]

that is correct.

 

[Nanker Phelge]

Is anyone hooking up ahead of the Tower Hamlet demo tomorrow. I'm on my lonesome and looking to tag along with anybody who's going....

 

[Citizen66]

Is anyone hooking up ahead of the Tower Hamlet demo tomorrow. I'm on my lonesome and looking to tag along with anybody who's going....

http://www.urban75.net/forums/threads/resistance-to-fascism-in-the-east-end.314310/

You might be better of asking on that thread.

 

[Nanker Phelge]

http://www.urban75.net/forums/threads/resistance-to-fascism-in-the-east-end.314310/

You might be better of asking on that thread.

Sorted now.

 

[audiotech]

LDMG press statement at arrests of Legal Observers.

 

[disco_dave_2000]

are the OB about to form a swastika shaped kettle there?

 

[andysays]

LDMG press statement at arrests of Legal Observers

Is it just me, or is all the outrage there at the arrest of the 5 observers and none at the arrest of the 150 odd protestors?

 

[Corax]

Is it just me, or is all the outrage there at the arrest of the 5 observers and none at the arrest of the 150 odd protestors?

Just because people have become used to the latter. The former is a line less frequently crossed.

 

[Greebo]

Just because people have become used to the latter. The former is a line less frequently crossed.

^Good point - it shouldn't be this way but it is.

 

[Corax]

^Good point - it shouldn't be this way but it is.

And thus the well-chosen term "erosion" - of civil liberties etc. No catastrophic earthquakes or landslips. Just erosion - bit by bit, slowly, gradually.

Like when you go swimming in a cold sea. Wade in slowly and it's still unpleasant, and it takes longer, but it doesn't make you gasp so much. Run full pelt into the waves and it literally takes your breath away and makes you yelp, there's a more dramatic physical reaction.

So it's all done slowly, gradually. So we don't have that reaction.

 

[butchersapron]

What's at the end?

 

[barney_pig]

What's at the end?

A nice swim and maybe some hot chocolate later?

 

[Citizen66]

Fascism lol.

 

[butchersapron]

Fascism lol.

Is this a serious post lol?

 

[Citizen66]

Is this a serious post lol?

Of course lol.

 

[Citizen66]

I can't remember who pointed it out but it was a point I took on board. I think it might have been spanky longhorn. All this OMGz we're becoming FASCIST lets liberal democracy off the hook.

 

[butchersapron]

Of course lol.

If you think fascism comes by degree then you need to stop using the term. If you think it applied to country historetically then you need to stop using the term. Both of these stoppages require you to have a look at what fascism is, what a fascist movement is, what a fascist regime is, and how the former becomes the latter and how the frig that make such nonsense as we're on the road to fascism today is just well, nonsense.

 

[butchersapron]

I can't remember who pointed it out but it was a point I took on board. I think it might have been spanky longhorn. All this OMGz we're becoming FASCIST lets liberal democracy off the hook.

I asked you if you were serious in posting that the increasing authoritarianism means that we are on the road to fascism. You said that you were. I have no idea why you mentioned that other stuff.

 

[Citizen66]

I asked you if you were serious in posting that the increasing authoritarianism means that we are on the road to fascism. You said that you were. I have no idea why you mentioned that other stuff.

I thought the lol at the end meant what I was saying was in jest? Fair enough, things don't always come across best in text form but to be clear I was laughing AT that idea. I thought you did subtelty? Granted, I haven't reached cryptic, yet...

 

[butchersapron]

I thought the lol at the end meant what I was saying was in jest? Fair enough, things don't always come across best in text form but to be clear I was laughing AT that idea. I thought you did subtelty? Granted, I haven't reached cryptic, yet...

No worries then. lol (that's lol backwards)

 

[Citizen66]

Butchers is properly on my back again like the good old days.

 

[butchersapron]

Butchers is properly on my back again like the good old days.

Not on anyones back, i'm off to bed after a disgraceful embarrassing cricket display

 

[Spanky Longhorn]

I can't remember who pointed it out but it was a point I took on board. I think it might have been spanky longhorn. All this OMGz we're becoming FASCIST lets liberal democracy off the hook.

Sounds like a good point so it probably was me.

 

[Citizen66]

Sounds like a good point so it probably was me.

I think it was. And now I use it as a stick to beat people with.

 

[DaveCinzano]

I think it was. And now I use it as a stick to beat people with.

I find sticks are better for that.

 

[DaveCinzano]

Is it just me, or is all the outrage there at the arrest of the 5 observers and none at the arrest of the 150 odd protestors?

It's specifically a press statement about the arrest of the legal observers.

Given the number of protests, demonstrations etc that LMDG (and GBC) volunteers quietly, methodically legal observe at (clue: it's many more times than well-funded interest groups like Liberty), one can hardly credibly critique them as headline-chasers.

 

[Kev Scott LTJ]

And thus the well-chosen term "erosion" - of civil liberties etc. No catastrophic earthquakes or landslips. Just erosion - bit by bit, slowly, gradually.

Like when you go swimming in a cold sea. Wade in slowly and it's still unpleasant, and it takes longer, but it doesn't make you gasp so much. Run full pelt into the waves and it literally takes your breath away and makes you yelp, there's a more dramatic physical reaction.

So it's all done slowly, gradually. So we don't have that reaction.

Is it because the EDL are now so washed up / in the Met's pocket that the Police can now turn their attention to the anti's?

 

[malatesta32]

it has its precedence at bolton when plod got very heavy on antifascists. in general the counter-demos tend to be pretty peaceful. i have noticed that once EDL have been contained, kettled and bussed out, the counter is left to disperse itself. plod have not had a great history of containing the fash - leicester, stoke, bradford, brighton - so they really use heavy manners to avoid embarrassment.

 

[butchersapron]

It's specifically a press statement about the arrest of the legal observers.

Given the number of protests, demonstrations etc that LMDG (and GBC) volunteers quietly, methodically legal observe at (clue: it's many more times than well-funded interest groups like Liberty), one can hardly credibly critique them as headline-chasers.

...and on top of that, their work is central to dealing with other cases of police arseholery. Which suggests a few reasons why they seemed to have made a decision to target them. Not everyone who is nicked has the potential to cause the damage that they can - it's basic good tactics to defend key positions.