EDL watch

[SpineyNorman]

I'm of fairly average build but with quite an impressive beer gut - does that count as fat enough to be EDL? The gut has been in decline for the last couple of months as I've been doing physical work again - need to drink more or I risk losing it for ever

 

[Pickman's model]

So is there anyone on this thread who UAF haven't mistaken for EDL?

*raises hand *

 

[JimW]

I've been out the country since before the EDL emerged, but I'm such a nice boy surely wouldn't anyway.

 

[Ranbay]

i've got dodgy teeth a beer belly and thinking of shaving head again

If you call that a beer belly, what the fuck is mine

 

[SpineyNorman]

*raises hand *

Fucking liberal

 

[ddraig]

If you call that a beer belly, what the fuck is mine

grown again bra! been working from home so no cycle commute
and guess more of a cider belly these days n all

 

[krink]

grown again bra! been working from home so no cycle commute
and guess more of a cider belly these days n all

talking of cider has reminded me - I also drink in weatherspoons so probs EDL innit?
(there was a lovely cider festival in there this month - I'm still feeling rough off Friday night on the 8% stuff )

 

[ddraig]

must be! bang to rights
i went to one the other day too! on my own

 

[Citizen66]

If you call that a beer belly, what the fuck is mine

The third trimester?

 

[ddraig]

ooooooooooooooh!

 

[Ranbay]

The third trimester?

Got too much hair and all my teeth, however they are full of holes thanks to early 90's rave culture.

 

[barney_pig]

Was accused of being fash by an aslef swp contact, many years back when iwas still in yorkshire and in the swp, apparently when this fellow was contacted by swp industrial office he said he wouldn't have anything to do with me as he had been told I was mixing with fash by an aslef regional organiser. I think i was caught up into a dirty tricks campaign by opponents of mick rix, who I was close to through Leeds aslef.

 

[Pickman's model]

talking of cider has reminded me - I also drink in weatherspoons so probs EDL innit?
(there was a lovely cider festival in there this month - I'm still feeling rough off Friday night on the 8% stuff )

you drink stuff that's 92% WATER?

for shame!

 

[Sue]

is there anyone who posts on this thread who isn't bald(ing), missing teeth, not-exactly-thin??

[apart from frogwoman, obv]

Check your privilege...

 

[tony.c]

although I have no hair technically I'm not balding cos I shave it all off

 

[SpineyNorman]

Well, I've just been suspended from facebook for 12 hours for the third day running for a comment on EDL news.

(This time it was: 'You don't need a sense of humour bypass to not laugh at things that aren't funny. And if you're an employer you're not working class Anne, it's really very simple')

I suspect they're going to keep doing it until my account is banned completely and as I can't remove my comments because I am no longer a member of the group there is nothing I can do about it. They are lying about me, saying I got people suspended when I didn't, and denying they did it to me when I know they must have. I think they're doing a mass reporting campaign on me, as they do with the EDL. I guess because since I'm not a middle class elitist eugenicist I'm in the same category as the dirty EDL chavs.

Fucking scum, I want nothing to do with them or their fucking page, I've enough stress in my life as it is, but they're making that impossible too.

 

[frogwoman]

I'm thinking about doing a blog post about this sort of "anti-fascism" that isn't really anti-fascism at all. Delroy Booth you were going on about Tory anti-fascists and stuff. Do you have anything to suggest that I could read?

 

[Delroy Booth]

I'm thinking about doing a blog post about this sort of "anti-fascism" that isn't really anti-fascism at all. Delroy Booth you were going on about Tory anti-fascists and stuff. Do you have anything to suggest that I could read?

Not really no, but I'll have a proper look through my bookmarks see if there is anything. I just thought it was a useful phrase to describe the sort of reactionary bullshit you get in online antifascist circles. The Tory line is "there's nothing British about the BNP" which is a really counter-productive because it suggests that the problem with the BNP is that it's too foreign, not patriotic enough, not that it's xenophobic or racist or fascist etc. Using reactionary nationalism to attack other kinds of reactionary nationalism, which, ultimately strengthens reactionary nationalism, which is fine by the Tories because they're the primary electoral beneficiaries of that kind of thing.

The fact EDL news uses this sort of rhetoric is shows either how politically naive they are, or how politically aware and right-wing they are, depending on your charitableness about their intentions.

 

[FNG]

I was musing over the fact UAF is officially endorsed by David Cameron which may well encourage a particular Bullington set tory an excuse to indulge themselves in a bit of social downward punching/class baiting

 

[DotCommunist]

in a massive paranoid fit last night I mentioned to frog that theres a possibility of clever fash stirring the pot and so encouraging the class hatred to flourish as a sort of false flag- 'look at them they don't care what you believe, they hate you cos you aren't grateful to be poor and run by sharia lol'

on reflection though thats more than likely rampant paranoia and the simplest explanation is that they are vacuos m/c twats whose only experience of the w/c is when they come to fix the boiler or serve them dinner

 

[Delroy Booth]

in a massive paranoid fit last night I mentioned to frog that theres a possibility of clever fash stirring the pot and so encouraging the class hatred to flourish as a sort of false flag- 'look at them they don't care what you believe, they hate you cos you aren't grateful to be poor and run by sharia lol'

I don't think that's paranoid at all.

 

[J Ed]

Weirdly the Nothing British about the BNP website has been taken over by what looks to be some sort of cutesy Japanese language website. You can see an archive of it here, they decided to take it down because obviously the threat of the far-right is no longer existent.

It was run by the people who run the Conservative Home website.

Right-wing anti-fascism usually seems to be an appeal to a fusion of patriotism (with particular emphasis on pride in Churchill and Britain's role in WW2, etc) with neoliberal economics. Right-wing anti-fascists claim that groups like the BNP are unpatriotic partly because they are ostensibly against unimpeded neoliberalism which they associate with being anti-immigration and anti-immigrant.

Check this out http://web.archive.org/web/20130129...british.com/resources/NBmanifestoresponse.pdf

No hard choices on spending. The BNP’s lazy populism is nowhere seen more clearly
than in their lazy attitude towards tax and spend. While other parties are forced to make
difficult choices about their priorities in the face of Britain’s record deficit, the BNP likes
to pretend that the only cuts are those already popular: benefits to ‘scroungers’ and
‘foreigners’, waste, and spending on the EU and global warming.

Their protectionist economics. While a core BNP belief remains that Britain needs system of
tariffs to protect and return Britain to its manufacturing past, they remain wary of spelling
out the consequences to the shopping bills of ordinary families. The BNP are deliberately
vague over the details, are keen to emphasise that tariffs will be used selectively and
strategically, and suggest that the cost can be fully compensated to consumers through a cut
in VAT rates

The BNP have attempted to hide the effects the policies would have on ordinary voters,
claiming that they can deliver tax cuts without corresponding raises or spending cuts
elsewhere. This is simply not credible. The BNP’s plans would reverse the benefits
globalisation has brought, limiting trade and attacking supermarkets, increase the cost of the
weekly bills, and raise the possibility of violent crime through putting more guns on the
street

 

[frogwoman]

It's not paranoid at all mate!

 

[DotCommunist]

I don't think that's paranoid at all.

maybe, it just occured to me. I'm wary of seeing the dread hand of the hidden menace in everything though. Despite how often reality proves it to be weirder than my speculations- but its normally the state playing those sorts of long games.

 

[Delroy Booth]

You want a really good example of right-wing antifascism this is the best. One of Jerry Springer's regular shows with the KKK featured Larry Jones, a black right-wing talk radio host in Texas, arguing that capitalism is the only way to beat racism. Listen to this exchange and weep.

 

[frogwoman]

maybe, it just occured to me. I'm wary of seeing the dread hand of the hidden menace in everything though. Despite how often reality proves it to be weirder than my speculations- but its normally the state playing those sorts of long games.

Well I did see a thread on SF years and years ago where a scumfront moderator pretended to be Jewish to a group of Jehovah's Witnesses that knocked on their door and behaved like an abusive arsehole towards them, "so they could see for themselves what the jews were really like". The other nazis thought that what he'd done was great.

 

[frogwoman]

Apparently there are lots of ageing nazis writing letters to the Telegraph etc pretending to be jewish racists

 

[DotCommunist]

Apparently there are lots of ageing nazis writing letters to the Telegraph etc pretending to be jewish racists

for the love of god

its just indicative of the lows they will stoop to I suppose. Like homosexual blackmail stings for money/complicity in weimar germany by the nascent ndsap. Gutter politics.

 

[frogwoman]

It wouldn't surprise me if some of them were fash trolls given past form. I mean quite a high proportion of scumfront is supposed to be either state or anti-fash pretending to be fash. (though i don't know how they prove this )

 

[J Ed]

In any case, frogwoman I suspect that the people we're discussing from the EDL News group would not consider themselves to be right-wing at all. The fact that people can consider themselves, and be considered, leftists while complaining that anti-immigration legislation would mean that they could no longer rely on plucky hard working Poles rather than lazy working-class Brits is another more perplexing problem really.