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grogwilton
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Worst of all he follows QPR! 
Bloody sellotape hoops!
Bloody sellotape hoops! 
more press TV LOL's here... this idiot want's to build a Mosque in Mecca....
I think the guy with the cap, thinks the symbol on the microphone is masonic
Fingers
From Tuscany SE22
I met a real life EDL 'Angle' last night at PROD of all places. She was perfectly nice to talk to for ages then she stated that people were not allowed to talk about multiculturalism these days. I informed everybody was talking about it on the run up to the last election and she was indeed allowed to talk about it. With that argument shot down she told me to fuck off which reaffirmed my opinion that these people have no argument whatsoever. Ho hum.
Proper Tidy
Arsed
Bloody angles
They have a point about Islam being a fucked up religion. But yet they seem to stay silent on how fucked up chrisitanity, judaism and all the other religions are. Oh and the majority of them are racist cunts from what I have seen.
Fingers
From Tuscany SE22
She probably went and burnt a couple after I told her she was a complete dick.
grogwilton
Well-Known Member
LOL Indeed! The guy with the flag around his face seems to realise he's talking bullshit as he says it, it must be hard to put together an argument when all you really want to say is 'I don't like muslims' but can't because of your organisations 'anti racism'.
'It looks to me like the EDL was trying to use the gays as cannon fodder against muslims.
That was from a Trot blog yes, so the moral and political contortions continue: they and others seem determined to the point of delusion that the anti-gay stickers, 'Gay Free Zone' etc are being posted by agent provocateurs trying to stir up trouble, they would never never give that sort of leeway, if they, say, spot far right stickers on a council estate. Why can't they accept that far right Islamists are active in TH, etc may be posting up such crap/ It is very possible/likely they are, but these elements of the left seem to believe Muslims aren't capable of such behaviour, a very racist assumption, in many ways.
Interesting how now the street oppostion to the EDl is flagging, sneers seem to be utilised as a weapon, no fan of them but hundreds of thousands of people share their views, best to engage them politically...
That was from a Trot blog yes, so the moral and political contortions continue: they and others seem determined to the point of delusion that the anti-gay stickers, 'Gay Free Zone' etc are being posted by agent provocateurs trying to stir up trouble, they would never never give that sort of leeway, if they, say, spot far right stickers on a council estate. Why can't they accept that far right Islamists are active in TH, etc may be posting up such crap/ It is very possible/likely they are, but these elements of the left seem to believe Muslims aren't capable of such behaviour, a very racist assumption, in many ways.
Interesting how now the street oppostion to the EDl is flagging, sneers seem to be utilised as a weapon, no fan of them but hundreds of thousands of people share their views, best to engage them politically...
frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
Who is saying muslims arent capable of it? And I agree there's a dodgy assumption made by some "trots" (but almost certainly others) that gay people can't be dodgy and far right, but apart from those silly comments about "infiltrators" it's reasonable to be suspicious surely?
And I'm sure fundamentalist Islamists have done similar sort of "false-flag" stuff, and Larry O'Hara etc have uncovered loads of evidence that some of the far-right groups are heavily infiltrated and in some cases set up by the state, this is well known, it's not controversial or forbidden to talk about, is it?
And I'm sure fundamentalist Islamists have done similar sort of "false-flag" stuff, and Larry O'Hara etc have uncovered loads of evidence that some of the far-right groups are heavily infiltrated and in some cases set up by the state, this is well known, it's not controversial or forbidden to talk about, is it?
I think the attacks on gays in that area are evidence enough of the problem. Unless you are suggesting that they were far right who 'blacked/browned themselves up' etc. p.s- I do believe the Larry O'Hara stuff.
taffboy gwyrdd
Embrace the confusion!
One reason that street opposition is flagging is probably because the demo numbers themselves are flagging. EDL rallies are only getting a few hundred now, even in the heartlands. Too many obvious nazis and drunken twats have alienated people. Hundreds of thousands may share their views and always probably were bigots to some degree. Engaging them politically is another matter, because facts don't seem to bother them very much if EDL FB pages are anything to go by. They make shit up, they are often blatantly racist and incredibly stupid. I'm not saying it's impossible to engage them entirely, but it's very much an uphill task. Lots of them have their minds made up already with an array of hand-me-down fuckwit cliches about 'the left' to fob you off with. Their understanding of Islam comes from some guy in the pub. They actually think Tommy is some kind of astute political genius and inspiration. You aint going to get very far with that type of person. Many many EDL attendees are now bona fide nazis. You want to try and engage with them? bon chance.
frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
You always get that though. Knobs.
frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
Besides shouldn't people laugh at the stupid stuff they say - like a bunch of people with Nazi and C18 tattoos and t-shirts describing how they are not racist and hate nazis - and how is that the same as going on about people on benefits etc? We're allowed to ffs. You wouldn't complain if there were threads taking the piss out of the SWP etc?
taffboy gwyrdd
Embrace the confusion!
No frogwoman, apparently we need to get all liberal and understand why they are stupid racists without using the word 'stupid' or 'racist'. Then they will be exposed and relent. or something.
disparaging remark about benefit claimants are out of order wherever they come from. And plenty more come from the EDL as it happens. Not all people who hate the EDL have been on a U75 accredited course on the correct ways to engage with racism and bigotry. If the antis attract the usual suspects it's 'oh, thats just the usual suspects'. If it's broader it's 'oh, they aint going about it the correct way' as specified in the mind of a self appointed expert.
disparaging remark about benefit claimants are out of order wherever they come from. And plenty more come from the EDL as it happens. Not all people who hate the EDL have been on a U75 accredited course on the correct ways to engage with racism and bigotry. If the antis attract the usual suspects it's 'oh, thats just the usual suspects'. If it's broader it's 'oh, they aint going about it the correct way' as specified in the mind of a self appointed expert.
taffboy gwyrdd
Embrace the confusion!
'Never give in. Never, never, never, never, in nothing great or small, large or petty, never give in except to convictions of honour and good sense. Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the enemy.
that was said by the 2nd greatest english man ever after our tommy! winston churchill is gone down in history and so will tommy as the greatest english man ever!'
So says some dupe on an EDL page. But I'm sure she'll change her mind as soon as it is pointed out to her that housing and employment problems are far more a consequence of capitalism than the 2.5 percent of this country that is Islamic.
that was said by the 2nd greatest english man ever after our tommy! winston churchill is gone down in history and so will tommy as the greatest english man ever!'
So says some dupe on an EDL page. But I'm sure she'll change her mind as soon as it is pointed out to her that housing and employment problems are far more a consequence of capitalism than the 2.5 percent of this country that is Islamic.
taffboy gwyrdd
Embrace the confusion!
I've had a whizz idea though - how about stopping all these campaigns and protests against the cuts? Instead we should roundly denounce anyone who criticises tories and try to understand why so many people think slashing public services is neccessary.
Proper Tidy
Arsed
Oh dear.
Proper Tidy
Arsed
Precisely. Just as there is a difference between taking the piss out of some far right dolts for being dicks, and dismissing the concerns of a large swathe of people without engaging with these concerns whilst labeling them all 'thick chavs' etc.
frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
We should do that though. If we're to have any hope of progressing further.
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