EDL watch

[Anudder Oik]

http://whileromeburnsjournal.wordpr...he-anti-edl-counter-demo-at-downing-street-2/

Thoughts?

I disagree with part of this (in bold).

The singular thing over the last few days has been the seeming scale of the racist reaction to the killing of Lee Rigby. I don’t recall there being a similar level of anti-Muslim backlash even after the more obviously ‘terroristic’ attacks of the 2005 7/7 bombings. I think a large part of the reason for this is the groundwork that the EDL has laid over the last 4 years.

Personally, when the 2005 bombing happened I was stunned and in disbelief but with this latest killing I have become much more angry. EDL has had nothing to do with my anger or probably the majority of people's in the country. The reasons for being angrier now than before need to be looked into though.

How many were at Whitehall on bank holiday monday? 500? and 99% were males. They are noisy but tiny. What makes them seem artificially bigger is that they can get more people on the street at short notice than the ragged left.

Has Choudary been arrested, yet?

Those tools over at Britain first Said they knew where he lived, now they're asking people to fill in a form on their website if they have information on him.

 

[Treacle Toes]

Sick buckets at the ready:

 

[SpineyNorman]

<fash link>

Maybe break that link?

 

[Ranbay]

done,

I hope evryone has submitted so clues for them over 690 done laready.

I said i seen him on TV the other night.

 

[DrRingDing]

How many were at Whitehall on bank holiday monday? 500? and 99% were males.

Unfortunately there was a lot more than that.

 

[bignose1]

Sick buckets at the ready:

Sikh buckets !!

 

[J Ed]

Sheffield UAF deleting facebook posts on their event that suggest that anti-fascists leave a wreath instead of just stopping the EDL from laying theirs.

Sigh.

 

[J Ed]

It's okay though, while there will be no wreath laying, the EDL narrative will instead be disrupted by people giving out free anti-fascist henna tattoos (I am not making this up)

 

[DotCommunist]

send in the clowns

 

[SpineyNorman]

It's okay though, while there will be no wreath laying, the EDL narrative will instead be disrupted by people giving out free anti-fascist henna tattoos (I am not making this up)

He really isn't making it up - I was the one who recommended laying the wreath. It's OK though, we all remember what Hitler said don't we?

'Only one thing could have stopped our movement - if our adversaries had understood its principle and from the first day got henna tattoos'

 

[DrRingDing]

So what's the EDLs take on Saturday?

 

[SpineyNorman]

So what's the EDLs take on Saturday?

How do you mean?

 

[DrRingDing]

How do you mean?

Are the rank and file making it clear a lot want to go on Saturday? What's the leaders take?

I haven't been looking.

 

[SpineyNorman]

Are the rank and file making it clear a lot want to go on Saturday? What's the leaders take?

I haven't been looking.

Ah right, fuck knows - Bob's probably yer man for that, or malatesta

 

[treelover]

Sheffield UAF deleting facebook posts on their event that suggest that anti-fascists leave a wreath instead of just stopping the EDL from laying theirs.

Sigh.

they are deleting posts which suggest that? what happened to debate, is that Scarrot, Stalinist, imo...

 

[treelover]

Meadowhall to Sheffield, what a strange route?

http://forgetoday.com/news/edl-call-off-saturdays-march/

update, its off, the SWP will be upset

 

[Mr.Bishie]

UAF have lost the fucking plot.

 

[treelover]

Chap on the left looks like a close relative of our libertarian friend...

 

[SpineyNorman]

they are deleting posts which suggest that? what happened to debate, is that Scarrot, Stalinist, imo...

Pretty sure Scarrot's Labour party - but I suspect there'll be an SWP 'footsoldier' running the facebook group. The deleted post was made last night and was a comment on a thread where a lot of EDL had been posting daftness (some of properly offensive stuff that I'd have no problem with them deleting) so it might have been a case of delete the whole thread to get rid of it.

I've made a similar comment again today, only to be told that would be us 'accepting the EDL's narrative' and 'pandering' and that henna tattoos would be a better strategy. Seriously.

Never mind that by saying laying a wreath is the 'EDL narrative' they're slandering anyone who wants to pay their respects as being the same as the EDL.

I fucking dispair at this stuff - the EDL are making out that the only reason they're being opposed is because lefties hate soldiers and britain and support what happened so we don't want to let people pay their respects. And it seems to me that these clowns are doing all they can to lend credence to those claims.

The UAF seem to be getting worse not better. They might as well be signing people up to the EDL round here, they're the best recruiting seargent they'll ever get.

 

[Athos]

I had the dubious pleasure of lunch with Tommy Robinson, today. Well, more accurately, he (and a ulster-tatooed knuckle-dragger) were in the same restaurant. Put me off my food a bit. He was drinking bottled water, though, so Mrs R might not get a hiding tonight (unless he's back on the nose bag). Was clutching a big bundle of newspaper; no doubt hoping to capitalise on the reports of Lee Rigby's death.

 

[treelover]

Pretty sure Scarrot's Labour party - but I suspect there'll be an SWP 'footsoldier' running the facebook group. The deleted post was made last night and was a comment on a thread where a lot of EDL had been posting daftness (some of properly offensive stuff that I'd have no problem with them deleting) so it might have been a case of delete the whole thread to get rid of it.

I've made a similar comment again today, only to be told that would be us 'accepting the EDL's narrative' and 'pandering' and that henna tattoos would be a better strategy. Seriously.

Never mind that by saying laying a wreath is the 'EDL narrative' they're slandering anyone who wants to pay their respects as being the same as the EDL.

I fucking dispair at this stuff - the EDL are making out that the only reason they're being opposed is because lefties hate soldiers and britain and support what happened so we don't want to let people pay their respects. And it seems to me that these clowns are doing all they can to lend credence to those claims.

The UAF seem to be getting worse not better. They might as well be signing people up to the EDL round here, they're the best recruiting seargent they'll ever get.

my late father POW, 3etc, was not one for parades, etc but denying left people the opportunity to lay a wreath, he would be pretty angry I imagine

 

[treelover]

I had the dubious pleasure of lunch with Tommy Robinson, today. Well, more accurately, he (and a ulster-tatooed knuckle-dragger) were in the same restaurant. Put me off my food a bit. He was drinking bottled water, though, so Mrs R might not get a hiding tonight (unless he's back on the nose bag). Was clutching a big bundle of newspaper; no doubt hoping to capitalise on the reports of Lee Rigby's death.

Are you writing him off as an idiot, big mistake if you are

 

[Athos]

Are you writing him off as an idiot, big mistake if you are

I think he's an idiot (and a cunt). But not writing him off.

 

[SpineyNorman]

my late father POW, 3etc, was not one for parades, etc but denying left people the opportunity to lay a wreath, he would be pretty angry I imagine

And rightly so. I'm pretty angry about it too and I'm about as far from being sport are troops as it's possible to get.

 

[J Ed]

my late father POW, 3etc, was not one for parades, etc but denying left people the opportunity to lay a wreath, he would be pretty angry I imagine

Yeah, my dad is ex-forces but very anti-racist and I can't even imagine how he would respond if faced with this sort of fuckwittery.

I think most people's instinct to this behaviour is utter revulsion. I think the best we can hope for is that bystanders are revolted by the UAF and the EDL, not just the UAF.

 

[Dogsauce]

Bottled water you say?

*avoids quoting line from Heathers*

 

[SpineyNorman]

Yeah, my dad is ex-forces but very anti-racist and I can't even imagine how he would respond if faced with this sort of fuckwittery.

I think most people's instinct to this behaviour is utter revulsion. I think the best we can hope for is that bystanders are revolted by the UAF and the EDL, not just the UAF.

Yeah - it's too late now but in hindsight the best strategy for sensible people might have been to forget the EDL and UAF and organise our own event to pay respects to Rigby and show that we won't allow it to be used to divide us - then we could have differentiated ourselves from both sets of divisive twats.

I'd hoped we might be able to get UAF to deal with this sensibly but I should have realised that was naive to say the least.

 

[treelover]

We witnessed police officers punching the faces of female activists, and attempted to arrest one Asian female activist for “unladylike” swearing while at the same time fascists could make Nazi salutes at a World War Two memorial unhindered.

The police allowed him to do that!

 

[Corax]

Are you writing him off as an idiot, big mistake if you are

Idiots can still be dangerous.

 

[Dogsauce]

Mixed feelings on the whole 'showing respect' thing as it sounds like people being forced to take sides a bit, which I'm not particularly comfortable with - as with enforced minutes of silence at work (not that I can think of any I particularly objected to in principle recently) it starts leaning a bit towards the whole 'with us or against us' thing, and obstructs discussion of causes and motivations. I think in this case I'd rather things settled down rather than weeks of tributes to an unwilling martyr of the far right. Poor lad & family could probably do without the political attachment and conflict attached to his death.

I don't really know what the answer is, though I know it has fuckall to do with henna tattoos.