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butchersapron said:
So you've been on two things and each time you ended up in some UAF pen?
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I've been rounded up by police and kettled against my will on like half a dozen occasions now. It's a right pain in the arse. It makes any kind of effective anti-fascist shit practically impossible. And on a few of those occasions I had my name, address, photograph and DNA taken in the street. Which isn't nice.

I came to the conclusion a long time ago that we'll never get much chance to get amongst 'em on these big demo's full of police and cameras in town centres covered by CCTV. The whole thing is just a charade.

EDIT: Maybe that possibility exists in Bristol, in which case best of luck, but it definitely doesn't exist up here. EDL demo's are just becoming like a dull routine up here now, especially in places like Rochdale, the North-East, Dewsbury where some groupsicle or another has a demo every few weeks it seems. It's very different now to what it was like 18 months ago.

But this is giving far too much thought and time to a post that really doesn't deserve it, so I'll leave it there.

butchersapron said:
You and you select few 'hunters'
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Preatorian Guard comrade.
 
butchersapron said:
Nah, they just thickos elsewhere.
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I'm pig ignorant on this (obv) but button's just explained that there's far bigger tradition of anti-fash in Bristol than e.g. Liverpool. More likely in Bristol to hurl bricks rather than stand by banners chanting "nazi scum off our streets" etc.
 
cesare said:
Delroy; kettling, photos etc just normal, part of spotting what's going on in advance and avoid.
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Yeah I know, I don't wanna whinge too much I'll end up sounding like those EDL who ended up shitting themselves in Walthamstowe when they were kettled. Christ they love to whinge, total crybabies. Even the students who got kettled on Westminster bridge for hours last year had more stoicism than these double-hard EDL dickheads.
 
Delroy Booth said:
Yeah I know, I don't wanna whinge too much I'll end up sounding like those EDL who ended up shitting themselves in Walthamstowe when they were kettled. Christ they love to whinge, total crybabies. Even the students who got kettled on Westminster bridge for hours last year had more stoicism than these double-hard EDL dickheads.
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The cops police according to what they expect.
 
SpineyNorman said:
Nothing of any real interest to report - it was exactly what we were expecting. I'd say the numbers on here are about right - 200-250 EDL, about the same number of antifascists, though the numbers were improved a bit at the end when some local lads, mostly but not all Asian, joined in.

No pics I'm afraid - hardly saw them all day cos I ended up in the UAF pen. Could see them at the rally point before they marched though so I know the numbers are about right. Usual UAF speakers - labour councillors, the MP, couple of vicars etc. No trouble whatsoever anywhere as far as I could tell, and I did ask a few coppers if they'd seen anything. I can confirm that UAF stewards were working very closely with the police and assisted them in keeping everyone in the pen (or at least trying to - one side was open but to get round to the EDL you'd have had to walk right around past loads of coppers. A small group tried it at one point but just got kettled round the corner.

One thing that got my goat though - suggestions from UAF speakers that "we'd" humiliated the EDL. Nobody on nodding terms with reality could have believed that. They didn't even see us I don't think and before UAF went up to "reclaim" the town square they had to wait for the police to disperse the EDL. If UAF had humiliated them why did we need the old bill to shift them? Also UAF claiming there were only 70 EDL when anyone with a pair of eyes could see it was well over double that.

One interesting thing that I've not seen before (though it's a while since I went to an antifascist demo so it might not be new) - when I arrived in the square the UAF were in there were a couple of big fellas walking around in yellow bibs. I thought it was odd cos really didn't look like typical UAF stewards. Then I noticed they had something like "nationalist security UK" on their backs - it was the fash come over to scope it out. I was on my own at that point and they were bigger than me so I made a tactical decision to do fuck all about it and they buggered off. Does anyone know anything about them? Are they hired out for cash to steward far right demos or is it just small group of fash who take themselves way too seriously?

But nobody got hurt or died so it wasn't a disaster.
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ITV reported 300 EDL and 150 anti fascist counter protesters http://www.itv.com/news/calendar/update/2012-10-13/3-arrests-at-edl-demo/
 
Delroy Booth said:
I've been rounded up by police and kettled against my will on like half a dozen occasions now. It's a right pain in the arse. It makes any kind of effective anti-fascist shit practically impossible. And on a few of those occasions I had my name, address, photograph and DNA taken in the street. Which isn't nice.

I came to the conclusion a long time ago that we'll never get much chance to get amongst 'em on these big demo's full of police and cameras in town centres covered by CCTV. The whole thing is just a charade.

EDIT: Maybe that possibility exists in Bristol, in which case best of luck, but it definitely doesn't exist up here. EDL demo's are just becoming like a dull routine up here now, especially in places like Rochdale, the North-East, Dewsbury where some groupsicle or another has a demo every few weeks it seems. It's very different now to what it was like 18 months ago.

But this is giving far too much thought and time to a post that really doesn't deserve it, so I'll leave it there.



Preatorian Guard comrade.
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Er wasn't that a similar conclusion to AFA's analysis nearly 20 years ago?
 
joyce said:
ITV reported 300 EDL and 150 anti fascist counter protesters http://www.itv.com/news/calendar/update/2012-10-13/3-arrests-at-edl-demo/
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That could easily be right tbh, though there were definitely more than 150 antifascists at the end when they went up to the town hall and I would have guessed more than that in the square but I could be wrong. 300 EDL sounds reasonable though, it was just bizarre hearing the UAF speaker say there were only 70 when you could see there were at the very least a couple of hundred marching past.

Just to clarify, the reason I ended up in the UAF pen (it wasn't really a pen to be honest, one end was open and I went out to have a gander a couple of times) was because I wanted to. I went down to take a look more than anything, to see what UAF demos are like now - whether they've changed their tactics etc since I last went to one (they haven't really, apart from becoming more police friendly than they were in Bolton) and to have a general look around. It would have been incredibly irresponsible for me to have gone looking for physical confrontations because I was with a couple of students (who I don't think have ever been in a fight in their lives and would have been battered) and a couple of middle aged women, to say they aren't streetfighters would be an understatement.
 
SpineyNorman said:
One interesting thing that I've not seen before (though it's a while since I went to an antifascist demo so it might not be new) - when I arrived in the square the UAF were in there were a couple of big fellas walking around in yellow bibs. I thought it was odd cos really didn't look like typical UAF stewards. Then I noticed they had something like "nationalist security UK" on their backs - it was the fash come over to scope it out. I was on my own at that point and they were bigger than me so I made a tactical decision to do fuck all about it and they buggered off. Does anyone know anything about them? Are they hired out for cash to steward far right demos or is it just small group of fash who take themselves way too seriously?]

this is the usual EDL quality steward! the EDL love to attack their own!
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apologies for confusion. spent many an evening at the stag boozer on the roundabout but never 'dared' to go in the county. i think it was burnt down once. not sure tho ...
 


i know i started this thread and everything, but videos like this make me wonder who the real enemy is...

(it's from Bristol SWSS)

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