The39thStep
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Are they thinking of opening a coffee bar?
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Are they thinking of opening a coffee bar?
The39thStep
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I imagine the plod are retired now
malatesta32
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malatesta32
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im sure they are but the strike was a real shift on policing methods, equipment, riot gear etc. there are some in rothers that are still angry over it!
malatesta32
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no theyre going to open a brewery and try to organise a piss up in it.
SpineyNorman
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Cheers.
There's a coachload going from Sheffield but I'm going on the bus cos I don't want to get tied to the UAF. I'll take the camera and get some pics - if anything interesting happens I'll try and video it if you want that too. The old bill round here aren't as bad as some when it comes to the policing of demos - definitely better than the met and the Manchester lot.
Just on a point of interest it's worth noting that a lot of the policing during the strike was done by coppers from elsewhere, a couple of my uncles were on strike and they reckon the baton happy types often had non-local accents.
taffboy gwyrdd
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EDL News site is down for some reason.
It did have a piece saying this:
"Insiders to the party have told us that Robinson and the EDL were becoming a rather large liability after members of the English Defence League smashed up a pub beer garden in Walsall last weekend and used the debris to attack the police.
This is obviously not good for the party image when they are running Tommy's cousin, Kevin Carroll, to be elected as Bedfordshire Police Commissioner."
- Did Cokeboy jump, or was he pushed?
Plenty more to say on this but the letter "z" beckons in quantity.
It did have a piece saying this:
"Insiders to the party have told us that Robinson and the EDL were becoming a rather large liability after members of the English Defence League smashed up a pub beer garden in Walsall last weekend and used the debris to attack the police.
This is obviously not good for the party image when they are running Tommy's cousin, Kevin Carroll, to be elected as Bedfordshire Police Commissioner."
- Did Cokeboy jump, or was he pushed?
Plenty more to say on this but the letter "z" beckons in quantity.
malatesta32
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taff, he's been fucking up very badly of late. the bristol debacle where he was too blootered, his criminal record and the criminal charges he is facing which will not be great, his increasing erratic behavior - did you see the last video?????? - and the walthamstow and walsall great PR disasters. walthamstow 2 is going to be even more embarassing for them. also he failed to deliver the EDL vote to the fluffies. k.k.kev is sidling out of EDL to do proper politics. the edl has always been one big vanity project for tommy and now he is the last man standing with a seriously depleted force. the policy now wd be to get more radical as they dont have to worry about the fluffies. however, he has lost tons of credibility. also see above for the ever growing list of grupuscules.
malatesta32
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yeah i think local busses are great for 2 reasons: 1 not getting kettled in with uaf, and 2, not getting stopped by plod if you go in mob handed! we are happy to put up pics (and captions, text etc) if you get some. this is the blog and it gets lots of hits:
http://malatesta32.wordpress.com/
re; plod. yes there were many bussed in from elsewhere, 1 of the reasons was i recall that SY plod lived in same areas as miners and, off duty, life cd be made very difficult for em. looks like they're still bussing other forces in as well for saturday. enjoy and stay in touch!
malatesta32
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malatesta32
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with thanks to batty lee barnes, info on mr tommys involvement with the BNP in luton! thanks Lee (BA. hons), it seems he did more than 'go to just 1 meeting with loads of black lads'
If it hadn't been for Stephen Yaxley-Lennon the Luton Branch of the BNP would have struggled to find a place to meet. It was YL who negotiated with the landlord of the King Harry public house in Luton to provide a meeting place for the branch to meet in its heyday, which was 2006/7, when meetings regularly attracted 100 people. The BNP's leadership attacks on the EDL has just about killed off the local branch. People who risked a lot, physically and in many other ways to stand up and be counted have been thoroughly demoralised.
If it hadn't been for Stephen Yaxley-Lennon the Luton Branch of the BNP would have struggled to find a place to meet. It was YL who negotiated with the landlord of the King Harry public house in Luton to provide a meeting place for the branch to meet in its heyday, which was 2006/7, when meetings regularly attracted 100 people. The BNP's leadership attacks on the EDL has just about killed off the local branch. People who risked a lot, physically and in many other ways to stand up and be counted have been thoroughly demoralised.
SpineyNorman
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I think there was more to it than that. A lot of local coppers had friends and family on strike, they were from the communities that were being destroyed. I think the authorities were more concerned about them being too be sympathetic to the strikers than them being harrassed - especially as strikers harrassing "honest local bobbies" would have been a propaganda coup for Thatcher.
Not that it really matters now.
malatesta32
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EDL plot up in The County pub in Rothers (a dump by the way), are taken 200 yards down the road by plod and the sent home. piss poor. they called it a 'local demo' cos they knew a national 1 wd be the same sieze. bugles!
malatesta32
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any news spiney? hope not hate reporting 300 or so, kettled at the county boozer, marched up the hill and down again. 850 plod. UAF in other side of town (where else).
malatesta32
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good pix:
http://www.rightnow.io/breaking-news/rotherham-edl-uaf_bn_1350122114832.html
but alarming caption!!!
UAF stewards actively working with police, blocking local activists from breaking through to EDL are in Rotherham
http://www.rightnow.io/breaking-news/rotherham-edl-uaf_bn_1350122114832.html
but alarming caption!!!
UAF stewards actively working with police, blocking local activists from breaking through to EDL are in Rotherham
krink
I'll do it this afternoon
that's what they do though. they aren't there to defeat fascism, they're there to be in control. i had my first experience of proper swp/uaf the other week and I have to say I was shocked how many of the comic parodies about them were actually true.
i was talking to youths who were getting abuse/rocks/fireworks thrown at them. I was trying to persuade them to wait for better opportunity, don't do anything when you're being filmed by plod, stick together, don't waste your energy pushing cop lines that aint budging etc etc. basically tactics to keep them safe from fash and cops. swp/uaf lot were basically telling them not to do anything at all in the face of bottles/fireworks/abuse...just get behind the banner oh, and did they want a paper?
In other news, bear found shitting in the woods
SpineyNorman
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Nothing of any real interest to report - it was exactly what we were expecting. I'd say the numbers on here are about right - 200-250 EDL, about the same number of antifascists, though the numbers were improved a bit at the end when some local lads, mostly but not all Asian, joined in.
No pics I'm afraid - hardly saw them all day cos I ended up in the UAF pen. Could see them at the rally point before they marched though so I know the numbers are about right. Usual UAF speakers - labour councillors, the MP, couple of vicars etc. No trouble whatsoever anywhere as far as I could tell, and I did ask a few coppers if they'd seen anything. I can confirm that UAF stewards were working very closely with the police and assisted them in keeping everyone in the pen (or at least trying to - one side was open but to get round to the EDL you'd have had to walk right around past loads of coppers. A small group tried it at one point but just got kettled round the corner.
One thing that got my goat though - suggestions from UAF speakers that "we'd" humiliated the EDL. Nobody on nodding terms with reality could have believed that. They didn't even see us I don't think and before UAF went up to "reclaim" the town square they had to wait for the police to disperse the EDL. If UAF had humiliated them why did we need the old bill to shift them? Also UAF claiming there were only 70 EDL when anyone with a pair of eyes could see it was well over double that.
One interesting thing that I've not seen before (though it's a while since I went to an antifascist demo so it might not be new) - when I arrived in the square the UAF were in there were a couple of big fellas walking around in yellow bibs. I thought it was odd cos really didn't look like typical UAF stewards. Then I noticed they had something like "nationalist security UK" on their backs - it was the fash come over to scope it out. I was on my own at that point and they were bigger than me so I made a tactical decision to do fuck all about it and they buggered off. Does anyone know anything about them? Are they hired out for cash to steward far right demos or is it just small group of fash who take themselves way too seriously?
But nobody got hurt or died so it wasn't a disaster.
No pics I'm afraid - hardly saw them all day cos I ended up in the UAF pen. Could see them at the rally point before they marched though so I know the numbers are about right. Usual UAF speakers - labour councillors, the MP, couple of vicars etc. No trouble whatsoever anywhere as far as I could tell, and I did ask a few coppers if they'd seen anything. I can confirm that UAF stewards were working very closely with the police and assisted them in keeping everyone in the pen (or at least trying to - one side was open but to get round to the EDL you'd have had to walk right around past loads of coppers. A small group tried it at one point but just got kettled round the corner.
One thing that got my goat though - suggestions from UAF speakers that "we'd" humiliated the EDL. Nobody on nodding terms with reality could have believed that. They didn't even see us I don't think and before UAF went up to "reclaim" the town square they had to wait for the police to disperse the EDL. If UAF had humiliated them why did we need the old bill to shift them? Also UAF claiming there were only 70 EDL when anyone with a pair of eyes could see it was well over double that.
One interesting thing that I've not seen before (though it's a while since I went to an antifascist demo so it might not be new) - when I arrived in the square the UAF were in there were a couple of big fellas walking around in yellow bibs. I thought it was odd cos really didn't look like typical UAF stewards. Then I noticed they had something like "nationalist security UK" on their backs - it was the fash come over to scope it out. I was on my own at that point and they were bigger than me so I made a tactical decision to do fuck all about it and they buggered off. Does anyone know anything about them? Are they hired out for cash to steward far right demos or is it just small group of fash who take themselves way too seriously?
But nobody got hurt or died so it wasn't a disaster.
malatesta32
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norm! is it okay to use some of this on the blog for tomorrows round -up?
disco_dave_2000
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Irish community in Liverpool and from further afield marched today in Liverpool city centre - usual suspects in form of National Front, NWI and CxF turned up to hurl abuse and anti-IRA songs.
malatesta32
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this is a new one for us. i think they cd just be the regular orangu-stewards come in to check out the oppo. they havent got any money to pay for security and also, given the fevered testosterone atmosphere, getting big lads in to protect EDL may be a bit weedy! there was some posters on the EDL forum saying they shd have 'proper security' but that's about it. and cheers for the report!
malatesta32
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how many mate? saw some pix earlier as usual outside a pub and there was 2 goons. how many on march and fash?
malatesta32
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wrighty speaks!
disco_dave_2000
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Hard to guess, I am rubbish at the numbers game. Got some photos, will stick up a link once I've edited them.
That's interesting. That's new. Worth keeping an eye out for them in future. Shame you didn't get a few pics. I was invited to go along by a good friend of mine, but I declined coz a) better things to do on a saturday afternoon and b) I've had too many shitty experiences with UAF arseholes bossing me about, police sticking camera's in my face and making me give my address etc to bother
I asked him what it was like, he said he'd managed to avoid getting stuck in the UAF pen, and that there was more than 250-300 he said over 500 EDL but he also said a lot of them pissed off when the footie started. Also mentioned that the train station was surrounded by riot police and they were stopping the general public from getting through at sometime around 5pm.
As for the rest of you're account, sounds exactly like what I experienced last few UAF demo's I've been on, in Dewsbury. Both times me and a select few pals had been wandering around the back alleys of Dewsbury keeping an eye out for groups of fash who strayed out of their cage, before being pounced on by a load of cops and told that we'd all be arrested coz of Section something-or-other unless we agreed to spend the rest of the day in the UAF pen. Twice this has happened for me, and after the second time I swore I'd never waste another moment of my life in the company of UAF.
And when I was in the UAF pen pretty much everyone else there was there for the same reasons, none out of choice, all been made to go there by the police under pain of arrest. So not only are the UAF co-operating with the police, as they always do, the police are reciprocating and delivering UAF a captive audience for their shitty gazebo paper sales.
Anyway I'm off to Sheffield tonight so I'll get chance to speak to some of the people who were there, i'll report back owt interesting.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
How come everyone in bristol managed to do what they wanted all day without getting penned with the trots?
Because Bristol Anti-fascists are much harder, better organised and more committed than us lot. Obviously.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
So you've been on two things and each time you ended up in some UAF pen? You and you select few 'hunters'?
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