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MDI regretfully announces that the venue for our public debate with Tommy Robinson on ‘Islam and Islamophobia: which is a threat to Britain?‘ – the Conway Hall – has cancelled our booking for 4th October 2012.
Conway Hall, has decided based upon advice from the Police, and under pressure from various anti-fascist organisations and at least one MP, that the event may put the public at risk to public health and safety concerns under the current climate. Despite the security procedures of MDI within the building, the Venue Director was concerned about the safety of attendees outside the hall when going to, and leaving the event. Therefore, Conway Hall has informed Muslim Debate Initiative that for the time being, they will have to cancel the hire of the hall to MDI for public event.
 
bob, was that UAF putting the venue under pressure? it wd have damaged the EDL more if he had made a complete clooty out of himself in front of a mixed audience with a clearly superior debater. his arguments are being absorbed because there is little scholastic refutation of the alleged misquotes.
 
bob, was that UAF putting the venue under pressure? it wd have damaged the EDL more if he had made a complete clooty out of himself in front of a mixed audience with a clearly superior debater. his arguments are being absorbed because there is little scholastic refutation of the alleged misquotes.

No idea, it wouldn't have ended well in my opinion idiots all over init/
 
bob, was that UAF putting the venue under pressure? it wd have damaged the EDL more if he had made a complete clooty out of himself in front of a mixed audience with a clearly superior debater. his arguments are being absorbed because there is little scholastic refutation of the alleged misquotes.
Clooty...I love that word.....make some more up...!!
 
a clooty dumpling!
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I don't know anything about disco or clooty dumplings but I do believe that by getting the MDI debate cancelled we may have been deprived of our very first EDl Martyr (they obviously don't count the ones that have gone down in flames amid pedo scandals). Given the current climate in the world, I would have thought it a great idea for yaxley trousers to go off on one about them muslamics, while surrounded by them :rolleyes: . We can now only speculate about whether he would have advanced from being Sir Tommy to Saint Tommy (of luton).
UAF spoil sports:)
 
as i said before ' it wd have damaged the EDL more if he had made a complete clooty out of himself in front of a mixed audience with a clearly superior debater. his arguments are being absorbed because there is little scholastic refutation of the alleged misquotes.'
 
as i said before 'it wd have damaged the EDL more if he had made a complete clooty out of himself in front of a mixed audience with a clearly superior debater. his arguments are being absorbed because there is little scholastic refutation of the alleged misquotes.'

Not necessarily. If he ended up getting his hide spanked it may have given him sympathy and rallied people around at a time when the EDL is on the bones of its arse anyway.
 
Massive halfwittery from the Infidels - kidnapping, arrests. plod etc

http://edlnews.co.uk/index.php/feat...n-of-the-week-mark-rodaz-and-his-kidnap-video

I liked this bit: "It was without doubt the most stupid thing they have yet done in an attempt to look really hard on the internet as it resulted in doors going in in the early hours and two pairs of NWI branded y-fronts quickly filling with half a pound of prime Dundee cake each."

The photos cracked me up...They must be the div division.
 
a clooty dumpling!
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Ive used clooty 3 times today and nobody asked me why I was using such a weird and wonderful word. Im going to use it in my email to every one at work about my leaving do in a couple of weeks. (redundancy) Ive got to be careful about what my true feelings are in public about the whole thing (shitty)but its tempered by some good 'luck' Ive had at the same time. That cake looks top is it available in ASDA.
 
Not necessarily. If he ended up getting his hide spanked it may have given him sympathy and rallied people around at a time when the EDL is on the bones of its arse anyway.

i was thinking of it in terms of DEBATE which he is shit at as he has a bad temper. his arguments are weak. academic tho really now int it.
 
UAF statement re: mr tommy and the great debate:
UAF and other antifascist activists, including Searchlight magazine, Camden Trades Council, local MP Frank Dobson and the LSE UAF society, had called on Conway Hall to cancel the booking and ensure there was no platform for the leader of a fascist organisation to promote racism and hatred.
 
UAF statement re: mr tommy and the great debate:
UAF and other antifascist activists, including Searchlight magazine, Camden Trades Council, local MP Frank Dobson and the LSE UAF society, had called on Conway Hall to cancel the booking and ensure there was no platform for the leader of a fascist organisation to promote racism and hatred.

Fascists, I for one would have like to have seen it go ahead.
 
Helen Lel Gower
September 27, 2012 at 12:30 pm
If as your Press Release alleges the Muslim community were not perceived as a threat and your Clarification piece states that the UAF were not responsible for the cancellation perhaps you would like to explain exactly who you feel are behind the cancellation of your event. Your press release appears to be contrary to the reason you gave to Tommy for the cancellation of the event. I would also like to add that the EDL would not have been perceived as a threat as any EDL attending would not have caused any problems.
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    Abdullah al Andalusi
    September 27, 2012 at 1:50 pm
    Dear Helen,
    Our e-mailed correspondence with Tommy did not mention the UAF as the reason for the cancellation, but we concede that members of the UAF have been involved, and are supportive of Conway Hall’s cancellation.
    Our Press release did not say the EDL were a threat to the event, the statement and link to Conway Hall’s statement makes clear the events. We think the Police Inspector who gave the security advice to Conway Hall, may have been overly apprehensive about global events. Muslims have not reacted violently in the UK (or the USA). Furthermore, it would not make sense for Muslims and the EDL to engage in violence and disrupt an event where they both are being given a fair chance to express themselves.
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UAF statement re: mr tommy and the great debate:
UAF and other antifascist activists, including Searchlight magazine, Camden Trades Council, local MP Frank Dobson and the LSE UAF society, had called on Conway Hall to cancel the booking and ensure there was no platform for the leader of a fascist organisation to promote racism and hatred.

These organisations were quite correct. There is no basis for abandoning the "No Platform for Fascists" position imo. The idea that fascist ideology can be "defeated/exposed" by the power of rational argument is a serious mistake... Fascism isn't dealing with the "rational" ... it justs wants to get its poisonous message out and about whenever/wherever possible - as a set of ideas , possibly a tad "extreme" .. but "worth considering", in a context of deep social crisis.

This is a position I thought had been resoundingly won by the anti fascist movement waaaaaay back in the 1970's. Apparently not, from this..and another recent thread.
 
ayatollah, i think the schadenfreude of seeing that wee eejit making a fool of himself was winning over the no platform idea honestly!
 
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