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either he'll bottle it or make a total arse of himself. he is unable to discuss anything without losing his temper and the muslim guy is an experienced public speaker, tommy isnae.
 
malatesta32 said:
either he'll bottle it or make a total arse of himself. he is unable to discuss anything without losing his temper and the muslim guy is an experienced public speaker, tommy isnae.
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I think it's more likely that they've deliberately engineered a debate with a muslim speaker that's known for not having moderate views, so that they can use it as PR for TR facing down the evil Islamicist etc.
 
The muslim speakers surname is Al Andalusi (The moorish name for Spain 500 years ago), It's a contrived name meant to send a message as it is an obvious reference to a fundamentalist claim over Spain. The Moors were completely driven out in 1492 by the catholic kings, after several hundred years of dominance over virtually the whole Peninsular. So that will give an idea of what to expect from this, er, speaker.

In order for Sir Tommy :facepalm: to keep up with him he will have to change his name to Sir Tommy "India is still british". Should be a fascinating debate. Not.
 
i cant imagine mr tommy not being surrounded by his orangu-bouncers and a few UAF outside. the end result cd well we embarrasment more than anything else!
 
malatesta32 said:
i cant imagine mr tommy not being surrounded by his orangu-bouncers and a few UAF outside. the end result cd well we embarrasment more than anything else!
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Supplied by Vic Reeves?

Seriously though I'm sure you're right all sorts will turn up and it will probably get cancelled amidst much publicity for the MDI.
 
it does smack of 'publicity stunt' doesnt it. both sides are eejits and eejits need their wee publicity fix! however, in a non-shouty debate i cant see mr tommy besting an experienced public speaker. mr tommy RANTS and gets angry which is useless in convincing people of anything.
 
malatesta32 said:
it does smack of 'publicity stunt' doesnt it. both sides are eejits and eejits need their wee publicity fix! however, in a non-shouty debate i cant see mr tommy besting an experienced public speaker. mr tommy RANTS and gets angry which is useless in convincing people of anything.
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Well the audience will be mainly comprised of EDl supporters, less moderate muslims and a few unsuspecting studes :D There'll be no "convincing" needed.
 
yeah so whats the point? its like arguing with a tory, you wont change their mind and it just gets boring so its down to who shouts loudest and who reckons they've won best on the internet!
 
malatesta32 said:
yeah so whats the point? its like arguing with a tory, you wont change their mind and it just gets boring so its down to who shouts loudest and who reckons they've won best on the internet!
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Like Spanky said, the point is PR and the opportunity for a ruck.
 
cesare said:
Well the audience will be mainly comprised of EDl supporters, less moderate muslims and a few unsuspecting studes :D There'll be no "convincing" needed.
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The event will be held on 4th october at conway hall, holborn, central london, uk. Event begins at 6:45 pm (doors open at 6:15 pm). Hall capicity 350. Please arrive early to ensure a seat.
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:hmm:
 
EDL greatest hits. i am not sure who are worse, the EDL stewards or plod who seem to be taking a wee bit of batter!

10 mins in mr tommy 'we are peaceful blah blah..'
 
Just why? ...and then 8:38? Those poor people. :mad::( Brings up so much rage and sadness. The same terror the NF caused us then. The absolute frustration that they never could see and still don't get that they are being used by the very 'nation' they claim to want to 'protect'....and of course, some of them just like a ruck.:facepalm:
 
audiotech said:
A reminder here, with a view to an analysis in 2011 of EDL supporters by Demos: Inside the EDL, that people attracted to this far-right group can't just be dismissed using clichéd, pejorative terms, often media driven. The report stresses that EDL supporters are more complex than is often portrayed.

The report found that around 30 percent are educated to college or university level, and 15 percent have a professional qualification. Although, it is noted that EDL supporters, especially older supporters, are more likely to be unemployed. The Demos report also recognises that around a third of EDL supporters would happily vote for the BNP.

The report also argues that many EDL followers view themselves ultimately as democrats. It is the little trust many EDL supporters have in the mainstream institutions of society, which helps explain the turn to far-right extremist groups that reflect and express their concerns.

Using pejorative, stereotypical terms to demonise will only entrench resentments, which the far-right thrives on. In the latest edition of Searchlight, which uses the Demos report in an article analysing far-right extremism, the author of this piece makes the important point that: "One cannot overcome prejudices in society with a retreat into stereotypes".

What leads to people going on EDL demonstrations? The report highlights these reasons:



As the economic situation is further likely to exacerbate tensions, it will be engagement and persuasion in civil and political society, not just demonstrations alone, that will undermine far-right "alternatives", which in reality offer no political solutions.
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The Demos report, published last year, was put together during a time when EDL had broader appeal, demos of thousands and not dribbling hundreds. Those more democratic and discerning elements are exactly they types who ditched it since.

They thought the EDL 'had a point' regarding some 'muslim' loons and general disaffection. Then they found out what it was actually like. No mystery. Are they now little more than a bunch of stupid bleating racists and bigots? Broadly, yes. And there's plenty plenty evidence.

As for the BBC3 thing, there's some pretty good stuff overall. Anyone can be a critic of course. Does lennon get too much airtime? Yes, but it's far worse when he is taken seriously. He outed himself further as stupid and anti migrant. A laughing stock. No bad thing.

The moaning 2 faced twats are putting in complaints about Wstow. Its high time plod facilitated toilets and water for kettles. Apart from that I don't see a case for moaning about being protected from an outnumbering crowd with hostile elements.

The BFP is supporting them and their whinge about human rights, EDL being basically an offshoot of Amnesty.

Sadly, the BFP says the human rights act is to suit only foreign criminals and terrorists. From their own mouths etc.

Article forthcoming.
 
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