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relies on a false 'clash of civilizations' thesis for starters, with some added blitzy Churchill bullshit for seconds. weak as shit, i'm not saying otherwise, but then again i'm not actually saying the EDL are anywhere near the level of threat as the Orange Order as you presumed
 
butchersapron said:
What myths do these existing conservative cults rely on? What history? There's something there to build on. There is not with the edl. Easy as it is for you think, as a swp member, of the w/c as easily led by bright colours and loud sounds where is the evidence? You edl watchers sit on youtube all day. Let's have it.
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Youtube and Facebook and internet mailing lists are where the EDL find their "patriots".

Your tactics in this matter are stuck in the 1980's.
 
butchersapron said:
Not content with the WSW trots he now lines up with the SWP trots. Well done Pk. Tell it like it about the Muslim.

Desperate in every way possible.
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What are you wibbling on about??

I "line up" with nobody. No-one at all.

You of all people should know that by now.
 
Das Uberdog said:
relies on a false 'clash of civilizations' thesis for starters, with some added blitzy Churchill bullshit for seconds. weak as shit, i'm not saying otherwise, but then again i'm not actually saying the EDL are anywhere near the level of threat as the Orange Order as you presumed
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Well all sorts of dappy liberals do too. It's meaningless. The OO self-justification is far more subtle than that as well.

Talking of clash of civilizations apes, it's us or the muslims, you have a new fan PK.
 
Das Uberdog said:
and if you'd care to look, fuck the subtleties, that's what the EDL are actually going for
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They can try to get all they want - they can't achieve a damn thing. They have zero social power. They have zero cultural power. They have zero economic power. All sorts of groups might aim at something without us accepting that they've achieved it.
 
that's a fucking Blairite re-reading of your fucking bile torrent if ever i saw one! and how am i pk's fan? how am i linked to what i described as a 'flawed clash of civilizations thesis'? and if you're not saying either of the two above things, then i have no idea what that post did mean
 
@ #759 that's a fair comment - i wouldn't necessarily disagree. but i think that's their model, and thus where their threat lies, if it's going to be anywhere.

in the meantime though they are still merrily terrorizing any Asians they're able to come across.
 
butchersapron said:
it's us or the muslims, you have a new fan PK.
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Now look who's falsely quoting who?

I think I did a pretty good job in demonstrating how the so-called left is unable to even discuss the nastier aspects of extremism that have taken root in working class areas - your silence was deafening in fact. Face it, the world doesn't need your ideas to solve the big problems. Stick to sitting on a sofa telling us all how the working class are motivated, and others will do all the real work and congratulate you for reading so many big books with hard words in.
 
Das Uberdog said:
that's a fucking Blairite re-reading of your fucking bile torrent if ever i saw one! and how am i pk's fan? how am i linked to what i described as a 'flawed clash of civilizations thesis'? and if you're not saying either of the two above things, then i have no idea what that post did mean
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What is?

PK's your fan - he hunts muslims. He thinks jumping on your back will help him do it. He's how you're linked to the clash.
 
pk said:
Now look who's falsely quoting who?

I think I did a pretty good job in demonstrating how the so-called left is unable to even discuss the nastier aspects of extremism that have taken root in working class areas - your silence was deafening in fact. Face it, the world doesn't need your ideas to solve the big problems. Stick to sitting on a sofa telling us all how the working class are motivated, and others will do all the real work and congratulate you for reading so many big books with hard words in.
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This is the w/c working in the gulf last week is it?

Sorry, you're done mate. Back to just laughing at you.
 
"mad muslim hater" LOL

How many muslim countries you been to butchersapron?? How many muslim towns you ever lived in??

:D
 
butchersapron said:
This is the w/c working in the gulf last week is it?

Sorry, you're done mate. Back to just laughing at you.
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Oh I'm all over it. At least I can speak from direct experience, you just rant from frustration old man.

I'm not laughing at you, I just think you'd be better if you weren't so fucking emo all the time.
 
butchersapron said:
I see not only dog can make quotes up.
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LOL king of strawman accuses me of making up quotes - you referred to me as "mad muslim hater" which is childish bollocks and besides, you had fuck all to say on the very valid issues being raised, no, you left it to the dingdongs of this world.

Anyway, arguing with you is laughable if you're going to run to the moderators and falsely accuse me of revealing your passwords, so drink up son, there's a Monday morning tomorrow for you to to avoid by lecturing people on how there's a real world out there...
 
Das Uberdog said:
relies on a false 'clash of civilizations' thesis for starters, with some added blitzy Churchill bullshit for seconds. weak as shit, i'm not saying otherwise, but then again i'm not actually saying the EDL are anywhere near the level of threat as the Orange Order as you presumed
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I went to an anti-EDL demo in 2009, it was shit. When they finally let us out of the pen we suddenly came up against a load of them waving union jacks and spouting shit. One of them stood next to me and looked at me (as a 'white man') and insisted 'THEY get everything and WE get nothing' [pointing at Muslims]. Nonsense (or is it, I don't know being a white collar?), but the root cause of the problem. Like the Tidy man seemed to say above, until people come to terms with this the Right will always have the 'whip hand' (arf!, "detournment").

The problem is UAF think politics is 'niceness', moral goodness....

Fuck that shit!
 
Das Uberdog said:
it's been suggested to me, and i think there's some merit to it, that the EDL have more immediate potential to turn into something resembling a slightly less institutionalised 'Orange Order' than the next brownshirts.

dunno what folks think to that.
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The current EDL are pathetic but I should praise them on the fact that they don't play flutes, bang drums, dress up like tango cunts, cause traffic jams and piss people off every marching season. Never want to experience needing to get somewhere and being stuck behind a moving allowed to go anywhere they want orange march ever again.
 
Anudder Oik said:
Well, Well, well, we have got to page 30 of the EDL watch thread and the posts are now suddenly taking a very nice turn towards the coherent and analitical. In fact there are more realistic points raised here on one page than there is in the entire UAF manifesto.

I have a couple of dodgy questions to pose here. Firstly, Is there anything about the EDL that would justify AFA type tactics to be used against them? My feeling is that maybe not as they are a far cry from the murderous gangs fielded in the past but I could be wrong. I get the impression they are nothing compared with what the extreme right would like to have on the street.

Also, why is it that, as an anti-fascist myself, the image the UAF has makes my stomach turn?
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Do you think we should start a new thread to discuss this stuff?
 
Das Uberdog said:
if you bothered to delve into the context of what i was saying, you'd realise that actually the comparison wasn't about 'bigging up' the threat of the EDL. it was actually about providing a cultural cross-narrative linking the EDL structurally and in terms of its activities less with 'fascism' and brownshirts (as some pretty commonplace observations suggest) and more with parades and conservative 'community event' style gatherings, etc. a conservative cult of national myths for a disenfranchised population.

it was actively not linking the EDL today with the threat of Loyalist style paramilitaries.
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Is this what passes for analysis for fucks sake.

"Providing a cultural cross-narrative linking the EDL structurally". Oh my.
 
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