EDL watch

[Luther Blissett]

Despite the lack of reportage in the msm and local press regarding the massive increase immediately after 2005 bombings against people for being a bit muslim-looking, the only question to ask here is how did it happen that pastcaring and Pickman's model weren't aware of this, and why is it they respond to such news with 'nonsense' and 'how do you know''?

 

[past caring]

So that's a "no" to having any evidence, then. Cheers.

 

[Luther Blissett]

So that's a "no" to having any evidence, then. Cheers.

No, it's not a 'no'. But don't take my word for it. Do some research yourself.

 

[past caring]

You're the one making the claim - it's for you to substantiate it.

 

[Luther Blissett]

EDL Combined Ex Farces 'Meet and Beat' Plymouth update
Michael Rafferty and Burly Ricky, two of four EDL men arrested for targetting a Kurdish restaurant after an EDL 'meet and greet beat' on Exeter St, turned violent, bailed until upcoming trial http://bit.ly/nqUVx3

 

[Pickman's model]

No, it's not a 'no'. But don't take my word for it. Do some research yourself.

so if the evidence is out there you don't know how to find it and you hope people with some idea of how to research will succeed where you have so signally failed.

 

[malatesta32]

from stormfront:
'I was on the march in East London the other day. I went with a mate who had 88 tattooed on his neck and a swastika on his hand, and we got no trouble at all. Within an hour of joining the march we'd bumped into current or former activists from the NF, BNP, C18, B&H, and WNP. '
thank goodness the EDL are still managing to keep out the nazis! what do the jewish division think?

 

[Deareg]

I wouldn't be at all surprised if many of the attacks on Asians did go unreported as in my experience many crimes of all description go unreported.

 

[MellySingsDoom]

from stormfront:
'I was on the march in East London the other day. I went with a mate who had 88 tattooed on his neck and a swastika on his hand, and we got no trouble at all. Within an hour of joining the march we'd bumped into current or former activists from the NF, BNP, C18, B&H, and WNP. '
thank goodness the EDL are still managing to keep out the nazis! what do the jewish division think?

Didn't Roberta Moore once say of this one something like, "We don't mind fascists etc joining our cause, but we don't want to advertise it"?

 

[past caring]

I wouldn't be at all surprised if many of the attacks on Asians did go unreported as in my experience many crimes of all description go unreported.

Indeed. But if there were a "massive" increase in the number of attacks on Asians following the 2005 bombings (as Luther claims) you'd have at least expected to hear some anecdotal evidence of this at the time. And I didn't. Don't recall anyone on these boards seriously suggesting that was happening, either.

 

[malatesta32]

Didn't Roberta Moore once say of this one something like, "We don't mind fascists etc joining our cause, but we don't want to advertise it"?

yes, she did. she also said that she was using the EDL. the EDL and others have been very careless about who they work with. the homophobic rabbi, pasta terry jones, the jewish terrorists etc, all who contradict what the EDL 'stand' for.

 

[MellySingsDoom]

yes, she did. she also said that she was using the EDL. the EDL and others have been very careless about who they work with. the homophobic rabbi, pasta terry jones, the jewish terrorists etc, all who contradict what the EDL 'stand' for.

Indeed, and let's not forget Anders Breivik, who the EDL "didn't know", until it turned out that actually, er, did.

 

[sunnysidedown]

Indeed. But if there were a "massive" increase in the number of attacks on Asians following the 2005 bombings (as Luther claims) you'd have at least expected to hear some anecdotal evidence of this at the time. And I didn't. Don't recall anyone on these boards seriously suggesting that was happening, either.

Is your problem with the word 'massive'? there was certainly an increase, a quick google search comes back with these two articles for a start:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2005/jul/14/july7.uksecurity15

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...all-for-calm-after-mosque-attacks-498508.html

Obviously these are reported incidents, I can recall attacks on mosques in the North East being mentioned on footy forums, whether these were highlighted in the media I don't know.

 

[Paulie Tandoori]

yes, i can certainly remember some apocryphal stories at the time of people reporting increased harassment and aggression. there was also the guy who came up with the "don't freak, I'm a sikh" slogan on his t-shirt for similar reasons.

 

[past caring]

It was both the word "massive" and this;

Countless mosques attacked. Taxi drivers attacked, some murdered. People beaten up on street for being a bit Muslim looking. Abhorrent meting out of vigilante injustice against British Muslims who would have been against the bombers' acts as much as any other Brit of any creed or politik. Many of those vigilante acts of violence against those perceived to be Muslim and visible targets such as businesses and places of worship didn't make it into the msm or local press.

sunnysidedown's links are to attacks on mosques - not disputing that this happened or suggesting it was anything other than reprehensible. But Luther's post suggests a virtual pogrom - which certainly didn't happen.

 

[Jeff Robinson]

Right-wing extremists have threatened to tear their opponents "limb from limb" during protests due to be held in the Capital on Saturday.

The online threat was made by a member of an English group called North West Infidels, whose members are expected to travel to the Capital on Saturday to take part in a rally organised by the Scottish Defence League.

The NWI's opponents say they are even more radical than the Scottish or English Defence Leagues. On a Facebook page set up by NWI members, a threat has been posted referring to a "coalition" of three groups – themselves, a similar group known as the North East Infidels, and the SDL.

It reads: "With only three days left we are issuing a challenge to any Red scum that are planning to oppose us. The NWI-NEW-Sdl coalition thrive on kicking the s*** out of c**** like you so the more of you that turn out in Edinburgh the better, that's more of your scruffy little bodies to go round for us to systematically tear limb from limb. See you Saturday."

http://news.scotsman.com/scotland/Fascist-group-vows-to-tear.6832713.jp

 

[frogwoman]

https://www.facebook.com/#!/pages/North-West-Infidels-Yorkshire/100533926701057?sk=info

the north west infidels are pretty open fash, look at this:

The North West Infidels are a group of right wing patriots, loyalists, and nationalists. We will stand with anyone willing to fight the enemies of Britain and for the right of its indigenous people. We are against Islamic jihad, the Islamic takeover of parts of the UK, militant Irish republicanism, Zionism, Immigration, EU membership, Multiculturalism, Communism and the militant left.
We are not p...art of any other counter jihad group but we do have alliances with various other Infidel, Patriot, Loyalist, Nationalist and Right Wing groups. We are not connected to any political party nor do we discriminate against any member of a political party. All are welcome.
We say it as we see it, if you don't like it, fuck off! The End.

 

[Treacle Toes]

The statements:

We are against Islamic jihad, the Islamic takeover of parts of the UK, militant Irish republicanism, Zionism, Immigration, EU membership, Multiculturalism, Communism and the militant left.

and :

All are welcome.

...are somewhat contradictory...

 

[frogwoman]

Erm no shit I think they mean members of any fash/far right party are welcome though.

 

[Treacle Toes]

Ya I know Fridgey, but it is still funny insomuchas laughing at a non-funny group, with non-funny ideas can be.

 

[FridgeMagnet]

That was froggy! I thought it was funny. I don't think I'll ever get tired of groups like that saying they're standing up for England.

 

[frogwoman]

they're a human rights organisation dontcha know

 

[frogwoman]

We're

That was froggy! I thought it was funny. I don't think I'll ever get tired of groups like that saying they're standing up for England.

"We will (sometimes) peacefully protest against Militant muzrats. But any nonsense from them, or their UAF brothers, then we will peacefully KICK THEIR FUCKING HEADS IN. THE END. FULL STOP. "

there's a number of different ways "militant" could be interpreted here, none of them particularly edifying

 

[MellySingsDoom]

they're a human rights organisation dontcha know

"Bacon Burgers on our streets!"

 

[Treacle Toes]

That was froggy!

Oh yeah.

 

[frogwoman]

I love how they go on about Islam being "violent" and then go on about kicking the shit out of people at the same time ffs.

 

[Fozzie Bear]

The North West Infidels are ... against... Zionism

I thought the EDL was "pro-zionist"? (For PR purposes at least, Israeli flags on the early demos etc) I know consistency isn't a strong point for the EDL but how does that even work? Or the scottish lot different?

 

[frogwoman]

nooo, i think these guys are a split who think that the edl aren't fash enough ...

 

[Fozzie Bear]

Ok but they're still going to the SDL event? Perhaps at this point I should feign outrage that the SDL/EDL are doing nothing to distance themselves from them.

Mind you, the more splits the better, I guess.

 

[frogwoman]

like ive said quite a few times on here, anyone who thinks trot groups are constantly splitting should look at the fash. next to them the entire left looks like a paragon of unity. It's entertaining though