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malatesta32
Not Serb. No, Really!
yeah well put! the EDL bus in loads of people and the 'opposition' - like we had in cambridge last week - are local. the EDL attack local antifascist meetings, stalls etc. the EDL face opposition because local folk do not like a bunch of pissed up hooligans coming from far and wide claiming to represent them, marching through their towns and causing mass irritation (like last week in halifax!). check any images from the EDL demos. their divisional hoodies identify this, so thanks for that. i'm sure plod feels the same! few on the EDL demos are actually from the town - rochdale, brighton etc all had people bussed in from miles away as local EDL support was so weak.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
had another look at violent london just now and although mentioned in passing, it's written by a literature scholar who has managed to leave a lot of things out. it's ok as an overview, but it's by no means the work he should have written.
charles tilly's 'popular contention in great britain, 1758-1834' is better in many ways for the latter half of the eighteenth century. hibbert's 'king mob' is *the* book on the gordon riots, although linebaugh's 'london hanged' is also decent. parts of shoemaker's 'the london mob' are also not without interest.
'Church and king
Another loyalist response to radical extremism was the Church and King mobs. These began in Birmingham in July 1791, when reformers celebrating the fall of the Bastille were attacked in their meeting houses. With the connivance of local magistrates, the chemist Dr Joseph Priestley was targeted by a crowd; when the riot got out of hand, it had to be put down by cavalry.'
I think the notion of the EDL being similar to Loyalist groups and the CAK mobs particularly is a good analysis, much better than 'the fash' You could also include the gangs that attacked pacifists, etc in WW1. Their future trajectory would suggest they will increasingly attack leftists, T.Unionists, liberal church people, etc as 'traitors'
Another loyalist response to radical extremism was the Church and King mobs. These began in Birmingham in July 1791, when reformers celebrating the fall of the Bastille were attacked in their meeting houses. With the connivance of local magistrates, the chemist Dr Joseph Priestley was targeted by a crowd; when the riot got out of hand, it had to be put down by cavalry.'
I think the notion of the EDL being similar to Loyalist groups and the CAK mobs particularly is a good analysis, much better than 'the fash' You could also include the gangs that attacked pacifists, etc in WW1. Their future trajectory would suggest they will increasingly attack leftists, T.Unionists, liberal church people, etc as 'traitors'
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
So what you're saying is that through intimidation, violence and fearmongering you've helped dictate the political agenda? How very un-fascist of you.
albionism
A successful virus clinging to a speck of mud.
I wonder what they make of The Cure's "Killing An Arab"!
grogwilton
Well-Known Member
at their demo in Reading they had barely 300, despite bringing people from plymouth through to kent and essex. Even their stall two weeks before had mostly surrey division on it.
kmarxs&sparks
Member
I haven't read the thread all the way though so don't shout at me if it's already been said but...
I keep hearing rumours the EDL are tagging on to other groups. I heard something about them trying to march with a gay pride thing.
Unsure of the truth but it sounds like their tactics. May be worth a look to keep the nasty bastards in check.
I keep hearing rumours the EDL are tagging on to other groups. I heard something about them trying to march with a gay pride thing.
Unsure of the truth but it sounds like their tactics. May be worth a look to keep the nasty bastards in check.
MellySingsDoom
Decimated by the shrapnel of his rhetoric
There was to be a Gay Pride march in East London, but said march was canned when it was discovered that one of the people organising it was from the EDL LGBT "division", which pissed many people involved off. Said march was to take place in Tower Hamlets too...
e2a: The march was going to take place in Whitechapel in TH to be specific.
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"An English Defence League supporter who clashed with Asian men after a protest march cannot carry out his community work as part of a multi-ethnic group, a court heard."
http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/Home/EDL-man-will-do-community-order-alone-15072011.htm
http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/Home/EDL-man-will-do-community-order-alone-15072011.htm
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
didn't that get the nf down to a cure gig?
Corax
Luke 5:16
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
he's a racist, therefore he can't work with people from another ethnicity, therefore he has to go on individual placement. might be something his lawyers argued for so he could have a dossier time.
MellySingsDoom
Decimated by the shrapnel of his rhetoric
Spot on, there. If I recall correctly, an NF-er was present at a Cure gig at the Nashville Rooms, and went to speak to drummer Lol Tolhurst after the gig. NF bloke enthused how "Killing An Arab" was a great song, and asked whether the Cure be interested in what the NF were up to. "Pleasantries" were then exchanged between Tolhurst and NF bloke, leading to a swift exit by Mr NF, and Tolhurst quickly let the others know what the hell happened.
Corax
Luke 5:16
That's the bit I don't get. Surely the system shouldn't be accommodating his prejudices?
kmarxs&sparks
Member
I've seen an EDL moron on youtube going on about that one. It's one of my all time favourite clips.
He's so thick I'm amazed he remembers to breath.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Is the point re providing a service in which other offenders aren't subject to discriminatory behaviour or for his own comfort? I would have him in the 'multi cultural' group as after all he lives in a 'multi cultural' society
SpineyNorman
Inappropriate content removed
In which case he should be put in a "multicultural" group. Might teach him that there are consequences to acting like a complete cunt.
Did you realise he was actually saying rape gangs not rayguns? I guess him being drunk and northern seems to have fooled most people.
malatesta32
Not Serb. No, Really!
after all the usual blether this week the EDL had another case of being spread too thinly at the weekend. they had about 150 in pompey trudging round in rain with soggy trainers and a dampened espirit de corps. they claimed they tried to tear into UAF but were prevented by plod. cripes! in manchester, plod had them well checked. a bunch were hassled before theyd even left bolton. manchester 'dibble' were all over them and they were dispersed from the centre. they had advertised on facebook all week of course so they ended up skulking in a few boozers before nicking off home for a cup of tea and a bun. ah!
http://ukfd.org/topic/8885370/1/
a few had a ding dong in trafalgar square but not sure what that was about. any info? as usual they will talk this up as a massive victory but it was literally a damp squib. they need the media attention for their ego boosts but it seems unless they pull off something big (instead of pulling themselves off over tommy) they dont get it. poor dears!
http://ukfd.org/topic/8885370/1/
a few had a ding dong in trafalgar square but not sure what that was about. any info? as usual they will talk this up as a massive victory but it was literally a damp squib. they need the media attention for their ego boosts but it seems unless they pull off something big (instead of pulling themselves off over tommy) they dont get it. poor dears!
malatesta32
Not Serb. No, Really!
BA, he was not only drunk but incoherent and clueless as to why he was there - halal pork, iraqi law? - cripes! most people on most demos have an understanding of the issues they are demonstrating about but daft lad did not. what it did was show the EDL is more like a terrace fashion whose demos will suffer once footie season starts.
Poor sod, just because he is inarticulate, does that mean he shouldn't have a voice. Also it should be noted that this comes from Press TV, an Iranian government station, how many murders etc have they covered up, it's, in my view, as bad as any of Hitlers propaganda machine.
I'm surprised you even give it the time of day, all those students who got rid of the Shah, now all dead, hanged, beaten and tortured.
The crime of this guy is that he is a drunken, inarticulate working class bloke, so I don't think Press TV have any moral ground to stand on here.
Arthur.
I'm surprised you even give it the time of day, all those students who got rid of the Shah, now all dead, hanged, beaten and tortured.
The crime of this guy is that he is a drunken, inarticulate working class bloke, so I don't think Press TV have any moral ground to stand on here.
Arthur.
No his crime is being a racist drunken, inarticulate working class bloke.
Those of us who are working class know, however, that it's perfectly possible to be working class (and drunken) and still be an ignorant prick.
It was a mostly working class uprising that, for good or ill, got rid of the Shah of Iran.
malatesta32
Not Serb. No, Really!
The crime of this guy is that he is a drunken, inarticulate working class bloke, so I don't think Press TV have any moral ground to stand on here.Arthur.[/QUOTE]
arthur, no one has said he has committed any crime. it was pointed out that he had no idea why he was there. halal pork? iraqi law? and just because people do not like you does not mean we like the people you oppose. this is extremely naive politics on your behalf. your thought process is thus: i hate muslimic extremists; antifascists hate me; therefore antifascists must like muslamic extremists. this is a poor syllogism indeed, false logic and naive politics in the extreme.
arthur, no one has said he has committed any crime. it was pointed out that he had no idea why he was there. halal pork? iraqi law? and just because people do not like you does not mean we like the people you oppose. this is extremely naive politics on your behalf. your thought process is thus: i hate muslimic extremists; antifascists hate me; therefore antifascists must like muslamic extremists. this is a poor syllogism indeed, false logic and naive politics in the extreme.
kmarxs&sparks
Member
I didn't be he's so fucking stupid it hardly matters.
arthur, no one has said he has committed any crime. it was pointed out that he had no idea why he was there. halal pork? iraqi law? and just because people do not like you does not mean we like the people you oppose. this is extremely naive politics on your behalf. your thought process is thus: i hate muslimic extremists; antifascists hate me; therefore antifascists must like muslamic extremists. this is a poor syllogism indeed, false logic and naive politics in the extreme.[/QUOTE]
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