East Brixton station (formerly Lougborough Park): abandoned station off Coldharbour Lane
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lang rabbie
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The London Assembly has renewed calls for the extended East London Line to include a station at Brixton.
Assembly members voted 19-1 in favour of a motion backing construction of a spur from the East London Line phase two route into Brixton town centre. The phase two project, scheduled for completion by 2012, would take over much of the existing South London Line route, which includes a viaduct between Denmark Hill and Clapham High Street stations passing above Brixton but without a station in what is a major population centre
http://www.transportbriefing.co.uk/story.php?id=5748
The London Assembly has renewed calls for the extended East London Line to include a station at Brixton.
Assembly members voted 19-1 in favour of a motion backing construction of a spur from the East London Line phase two route into Brixton town centre. The phase two project, scheduled for completion by 2012, would take over much of the existing South London Line route, which includes a viaduct between Denmark Hill and Clapham High Street stations passing above Brixton but without a station in what is a major population centre
http://www.transportbriefing.co.uk/story.php?id=5748
Ludgate Hill Station was on the bridge between Blackfriars(originally known as St Pauls) and High Holborn, the link still exists but is just used to movge empty stock around now. You can see the lines to the west of Loughborugh Junction
Ludgate Hill was, as the map shows, on the viaduct North of Blackfriars - which was demolished when the line was dug into City Thameslink.
And the line is the Thameslink line - not a empty stock route. You're thinking of a curve linking it to the centre of the universe just north of Brixton Tube, perhaps?
PacificOcean
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I'm talking about a spur of the SLL at Brixton. This is the southernmost set of rails. There's just nowhere to put such a spur unless you demolish all sorts of stuff. See map
"This image is no longer available" on the street view.
hipipol
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Ludgate Hill was, as the name suggests, on Ludgate hill, it was actually partly on the viaduct, partly on the bridge that spanned the road, the tracks continuing on to High Holburn or to Snow Hill Sation and Farringdon - though at the time Ludagte hill was open it was still possible to get to Moorgate via snow hill and the City widened lines.
The curve remark is actually in reference to the right hand curve when looking southward towards Loughborough - it used to provide amongst other things connection between the LCDR at Blackfriars and the LBSCR at Victoria - its is now only used for empty stock
hipipol
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I'm talking about a spur of the SLL at Brixton. This is the southernmost set of rails. There's just nowhere to put such a spur unless you demolish all sorts of stuff. See map
It also arrive at quite a height at Brixton
It would be an insane proposition
Is it a Boris idea perhaps?????
London_Calling
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God I love these threads! 
Crispy
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It would have to sit on either the market arcades, sainsbury's or the shops on the other side of the road. And it would be one-way only, so probably no trains to clapham (and reduced service from clapham too). It's a bonkers plan. Building any new track = new viaducts on land that would need purchasing = pricey. New station on the current viaduct = complicated engineering & logistics and land that would need purchasing = pricey. No cheap way round this problem that I can see.
ajdown
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I assume that the old "East Brixton" station location is of no use whatsoever?
http://www.urban75.org/railway/east-brixton.html
http://www.urban75.org/railway/east-brixton.html
Crispy
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Well a station could be built there, but it's not great for interchange with the other rail staion or the tube. If they did build a station there, it would most likely scupper any chance of a proper station at Brixton. The stated aim of the Overground network is to provide a circumferential service so that people travelling from one area of outer London to another don't have to go through the heavily congested central area. This means making transfers from radial routes to the circumferential route as easy as possible. So the only truly useful Brixton Overground station is one that sits over the tube/railway station.
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Looking at the aerial map, just east at Barrington Road you've got the lines that go east past Loughborough junction. There's 4 tracks there, 2 of which go to the high level bridge and 2 go to the "station" lines.
Looking west, the "station" lines and the high level lines seem to parallel for some distance.
There's space at both for crossovers.
Is it simply down to capacity that they can't put crossovers in and run these extra trains through Brixton station?
Would longer trains (platform extensions) mean less trains are needed, thus freeing capacity?
Would a 'freight diversion' somewhere else so they avoid Brixton free up paths?
Looking west, the "station" lines and the high level lines seem to parallel for some distance.
There's space at both for crossovers.
Is it simply down to capacity that they can't put crossovers in and run these extra trains through Brixton station?
Would longer trains (platform extensions) mean less trains are needed, thus freeing capacity?
Would a 'freight diversion' somewhere else so they avoid Brixton free up paths?
Crispy
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The capacity isn't there unfortunately, I investigated this just in #130 ^^^^^^
The freight network is already hard up against capacity so I don't think that's an option. Does much freight come through Brixton anyway? During the day I mean.
Longer platforms for less trains means a less frequent service. A minimun of 4 trains/hour is critical if people are going to be able to use the Overground as a 'turn up and go' service. Also, I think keeping the platforms short is the best way to keep the cost down!
The freight network is already hard up against capacity so I don't think that's an option. Does much freight come through Brixton anyway? During the day I mean.
Longer platforms for less trains means a less frequent service. A minimun of 4 trains/hour is critical if people are going to be able to use the Overground as a 'turn up and go' service. Also, I think keeping the platforms short is the best way to keep the cost down!
ajdown
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The trainsptters website - http://www.trainspots.co.uk/locpage.php?ts_number=54 - lists Wandsworth Road as a good location for photography, as most of the channel tunnel freight coming from the North has to come that way.
Having not had the pleasure of spending a weekday at Brixton station with camera taking numbers, I can't say for sure how much freight comes through on an average day - but I've certainly seen stone trains, engineers trains and freightliners passing.
This guy - http://chrisjeffery.net/?tag=wandsworth-road notes a spotting session generating 5 freight workings in an hour and a half.
Point the crispycam at the railway line one day, and I'll check it from work
Having not had the pleasure of spending a weekday at Brixton station with camera taking numbers, I can't say for sure how much freight comes through on an average day - but I've certainly seen stone trains, engineers trains and freightliners passing.
This guy - http://chrisjeffery.net/?tag=wandsworth-road notes a spotting session generating 5 freight workings in an hour and a half.
Point the crispycam at the railway line one day, and I'll check it from work
happyshopper
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... every 15 minutes outside the rush hour.
See http://southeastern.go-cms.co.uk/content/doc/pdf/timetables/timetable_120.pdf
See http://southeastern.go-cms.co.uk/content/doc/pdf/timetables/timetable_120.pdf
happyshopper
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Crispy
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Orly? That must be the thameslink programme helping things along. Now all they need to do is allow payg oyster!
lang rabbie
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Crispy
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I was browsing through the Lambeth Unitary Development Plan's major development opportunities document today (as you do) and found this snippet:
Which seems a little weird to me. Rotherithe and Wapping platforms are 4-car only, 6-car with selective door opening, so why safeguard a whole 12-car station? That's huge!
existing platforms in blue. those are for 8-car southeastern trains. to fit a 6-car overground train in, the red platforms would only have to be half as long
Which seems a little weird to me. Rotherithe and Wapping platforms are 4-car only, 6-car with selective door opening, so why safeguard a whole 12-car station? That's huge!
existing platforms in blue. those are for 8-car southeastern trains. to fit a 6-car overground train in, the red platforms would only have to be half as long
London_Calling
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Wikipedia says this about Rotherhithe:
The station's future was in doubt for a while after the announcement of the East London Line extension, as Rotherhithe's platforms can only take 4 car trains and can not be lengthened. The planned new extensions can take trains of up to 8 cars.
- no idea about Wapping.
London_Calling
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Sure, it's only a partial answer.
I agree; based on what's in the public domain 12 doesn't seem to make enough sense. I did wonder if Lambeth has their own agenda.
eta: Maybe you just run 8-car trains if it's taking the extension line.
I agree; based on what's in the public domain 12 doesn't seem to make enough sense. I did wonder if Lambeth has their own agenda.
eta: Maybe you just run 8-car trains if it's taking the extension line.
cesare
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Wapping's tiny. Brunel tunnel, first foot tunnel under the river iirc. The platforms are very narrow and they've been trying to close it down for years - ongoing campaign from the residents to keep it open (till the extension malarkey started).
