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Dumping the BBC?

defunding the bbc is basically in the tory manifesto. and most of the don't pay the licence fee types are on the right. I think they do a decent job of straddling a tricky line for a huuuge organisation.
the alternative for many people is a load of fake news or deliberate misinformation from social media or worse, the daily mail, so careful what you wish for is my opinion.
 
people at opposite ends of the political spectrum think the bbc is biased against them... probably means they're not.
There's a range of views on the BBC within a narrow window of acceptable opinion, but in general they are economically liberal (and actively hostile to anything resembling socialism) and socially liberal (within limits).

The left objects to its economic liberalism and hostility to anything to the left of Blair. The right objects to its social liberalism, plus the free market types object to a state owned media, thinking it should all be privatised.

That there's complaints from left and right doesn't mean they aren't biased.
 
There's a range of views on the BBC within a narrow window of acceptable opinion, but in general they are economically liberal (and actively hostile to anything resembling socialism) and socially liberal (within limits).

The left objects to its economic liberalism and hostility to anything to the left of Blair. The right objects to its social liberalism, plus the free market types object to a state owned media, thinking it should all be privatised.

That there's complaints from left and right doesn't mean they aren't biased.
The BBC produces great (marketable) media across TV and radio but their news is a disgrace.
 
There's a range of views on the BBC within a narrow window of acceptable opinion, but in general they are economically liberal (and actively hostile to anything resembling socialism) and socially liberal (within limits).

The left objects to its economic liberalism and hostility to anything to the left of Blair. The right objects to its social liberalism, plus the free market types object to a state owned media, thinking it should all be privatised.

That there's complaints from left and right doesn't mean they aren't biased.

you've basically described the job of a national broadcaster. not sure what you expect them to do.
 
you've basically described the job of a national broadcaster.
Having a narrow window of acceptable opinion and being actively hostile to anything resembling socialism is the job of a national broadcaster?

:hmm:

not sure what you expect them to do.
Not have such a narrow window of acceptable opinion and not be actively hostile to anything to the left of Blair.
 
people at opposite ends of the political spectrum think the bbc is biased against them... probably means they're not.
The BBC is biased against people at both ends of the political spectrum. And people of spectrums you can’t even conceive of too. The BBC occupy the ground of the neoliberal centre-right. There aren’t just two sides and a middle ground that means you are balanced if you sit in it. That’s stupidly naïve
 
The BBC is biased against people at both ends of the political spectrum. And people of spectrums you can’t even conceive of too. The BBC occupy the ground of the neoliberal centre-right. There aren’t just two sides and a middle ground that means you are balanced if you sit in it. That’s stupidly naïve
But what should they be?
 
Depends what type of society you want, really. The BBC are exactly what they should be if you support a neoliberal consensus and banal nationalism.
An Independent broadcaster ideally.

Not a North Korea light news

Propaganda should have ended after WW2
 
I don't agree on 'actively hostile' at all
From its partial reporting of the General Strike, to re-editing footage of the police attacking miners at Orgreave to make it look like miners attacked the police, to depicting Corbyn as a Bolshevik, to its reporting of liberal economics as natural and right BBC News has always been hostile to any form of socialism. I don't see that as an "I don't agree" thing, it just is.

BBC Drama is where sympathetic depictions of the working class and the impact of government policy on people has happened from time to time, from Cathy Come Home in the 60s to Boys From the Black Stuff and Arthur Fowler unravelling after losing his job in Eastenders in the 80s. When was the last time the BBC did something like that?
 
There's also the property programmes that (I assume, I've not seen them for a while) cheer on making money from buying/selling houses, reporting rent rises as a fact of life rather than caused by greedy landlords, reporting strikes from the company point of view, accepting government propaganda on the NHS unchallenged etc etc.
 
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