Dulwich Hamlet FC 2013-2014 season - chat, rumours, reports
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el-ahrairah
forward communism, forward gerbils!
we never lose when i go and watch. but i miss most of the goals because i'm in the toilet, or the bar, or mid-exclamation and looking elsewhere. these powers need to be harnessed in some way.
PartisanDulwich
Well-Known Member
Our work is paying off #recognition
We Lost Today - We Will Again
We are Loyal
Down with corporate football
Great respect at the end of the game by both sets of fans - both trying their best to out do the other
PartisanDulwich
Well-Known Member
That's really bad !!!
Not Wealdstone's fan finest moment
Not Wealdstone's fan finest moment
vornstyle76
Dundela FC, Transpontine Diaspora Brigade
Player gets fouled, Wealdstone fans encourage him to get up and run it off...
As a bunch of us stayed behind the goal chanting after the match the Wealdstone fans filed past applauding us which was really.. sweet actually... a sort of reverse guard of honour, and there were some decent guys in the bar afterwards. I think my fears were unfounded. And yeah that photo looks really bad... but don't we all indulge in a bit of extreme subjectivity in the heat of the match?
As for the hipster thing... *yawn*... "Hipster" was once a potentially useful critical term that's just been drained of nearly all meaning and seems to be used to describe anyone aged between 18 and 40 who goes to football and does anything vaguely half-interesting.
As a bunch of us stayed behind the goal chanting after the match the Wealdstone fans filed past applauding us which was really.. sweet actually... a sort of reverse guard of honour, and there were some decent guys in the bar afterwards. I think my fears were unfounded. And yeah that photo looks really bad... but don't we all indulge in a bit of extreme subjectivity in the heat of the match?
As for the hipster thing... *yawn*... "Hipster" was once a potentially useful critical term that's just been drained of nearly all meaning and seems to be used to describe anyone aged between 18 and 40 who goes to football and does anything vaguely half-interesting.
Onket
Je suis [CONTENT REMOVED]
Good post.
I was going to post that there is nothing at all wrong with what you can see in that picture. But I didn't because I was worried there was some horrific incident I wasn't aware of.
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hiraethified
Compared to many of the away games I've been to, Hamlet do seem to have a 'younger' fanbase than some.
Pink Panther
Well-Known Member
Am I a "Hipster"? I'll be 48 next month - is that too old? I feel I need to come up with a more flamboyant matchday look to blend in on the Champion Hill terraces these days, as I feel a bit boring in jeans and a replica shirt. I've got a pink shirt and a very garish pink floral tie that I can team with a linen suit and Panama hat, but that won't really be suitable for the Winter months and as I'm not as slim as I used to be I'm worried I might end up looking like George Melly.
Pink Panther
Well-Known Member
On second thoughts you may be right. If I wear a decent overcoat perhaps I'll test my new "Hipster" look at Finchley next weekend.
That picture of Stones fans abusing Ahmed Deen probably looks worse than it was as he's so close to where they were standing. There was a bit of a tangle near the touchline, the referee (who had an excellent game) was clearly happy no foul had occurred and Ahmed seemed to make a bit of a meal of it. Our supporters have done similar in the past. Give stick to opponents who are the floor that is, not roll around on the floor ourselves.
As for "old fanbases", I think the oldest I've come across has to be Eastbourne Town. They have a very peculiar gound with two covered areas. One is the main stand running the whole width behind one goal, which consists of several rows of tip-up seats with a small terraced area right behind the goal. The other is terracing along one side near the corner flag. Both bits of covered terrace have several park benches on the back step where a handful of elderly locals like to sit, then they moan when fifty away fans turn up and want to stand on the only bit of covered terrace during wet and windy weather because it blocks their view. I'm sure some of them may have tartan blankets wrapped around their legs too, although that may just be my imagination.
PartisanDulwich
Well-Known Member
Yes, good to see so many Youth and even a "Junior Rabble" of 6 years olds developing.
To be honest for all our excellent art and politics, the young lads with the drum (what ever the criticisms of drums in the past) ensured that we kept up a fairly constant wall of noise - and without which we could have been out sung at home (Think Wealdstone fans tired in the second half)
But as a result we managed to maintain the vibe on the Curva as a result
At one point an attempt was made to sing the old sexist "South London is full of........ but changing the words to "bear baiting" which seems to do the trick.
Art and Partisan (anti fascist) flags out in force - and the "Under the Paving Stones, the Pitch" (a reference to Paris 1968) posters while small looked good - and of course we are grateful to Robs extraordinarily match day posters
Given the hype for the match, Wealdstone allegations of racism (never ever proven) etc and the unfortunate parody Wealdstone Raiders account which was anti gay and anti Semitic (but these highly toxic issues were resolved by the fans and good to see that the Wealdstone main twitter accounts came out to denounce the stupidity.
Both sets of fans clapping each other out at the end was very genuine and showed respect, for two two teams who have built up fan base against the tide of "corporate, greedy football"
On the day Wealdstone deserved to win, Little was outstanding and hopefully Dulwich Hamlet can learn
But what ever happens on the pitch (or with regard to ownership) we need to build the community amongst the growing fan base at Dulwich Hamlet , and that means we need to always be looking at ways to make it more colourful, more fun, that means more songs, more posters, more banners, more scarfs (I should also point out the amazing attendance at the Harry Ottaway benefit night as an equally important example)
More awareness in our communities would also be helpful,
I guess we could all sit back and say it a great already, but surely ,only by sharing ideas can we keep the vibe going -"Permanent Revolution"
To be honest for all our excellent art and politics, the young lads with the drum (what ever the criticisms of drums in the past) ensured that we kept up a fairly constant wall of noise - and without which we could have been out sung at home (Think Wealdstone fans tired in the second half)
But as a result we managed to maintain the vibe on the Curva as a result
At one point an attempt was made to sing the old sexist "South London is full of........ but changing the words to "bear baiting" which seems to do the trick.
Art and Partisan (anti fascist) flags out in force - and the "Under the Paving Stones, the Pitch" (a reference to Paris 1968) posters while small looked good - and of course we are grateful to Robs extraordinarily match day posters
Given the hype for the match, Wealdstone allegations of racism (never ever proven) etc and the unfortunate parody Wealdstone Raiders account which was anti gay and anti Semitic (but these highly toxic issues were resolved by the fans and good to see that the Wealdstone main twitter accounts came out to denounce the stupidity.
Both sets of fans clapping each other out at the end was very genuine and showed respect, for two two teams who have built up fan base against the tide of "corporate, greedy football"
On the day Wealdstone deserved to win, Little was outstanding and hopefully Dulwich Hamlet can learn
But what ever happens on the pitch (or with regard to ownership) we need to build the community amongst the growing fan base at Dulwich Hamlet , and that means we need to always be looking at ways to make it more colourful, more fun, that means more songs, more posters, more banners, more scarfs (I should also point out the amazing attendance at the Harry Ottaway benefit night as an equally important example)
More awareness in our communities would also be helpful,
I guess we could all sit back and say it a great already, but surely ,only by sharing ideas can we keep the vibe going -"Permanent Revolution"
For me the key to success for The Hamlet, as one of the self-proclaimed 'old skool dinosaurs' is not how great the atmosphere is now, but what it is like when we start losing a few...or even post-Gavin, because that will happen one day!
How many of our new(veau) fans will just stop coming if we are not successful? Part of the reason we MUST sing, bring flags, be proud to be broadly a lefty led fanbase & so on, is because this is what makes it fun, and attacts people back. Otherwise we may as well turn the clock back to six years ago when it was a chore to watch The Hamlet, something done, if those of us who are lifelong fans want to admit, we did simply out of habit. It has quite simply never been more enoyable to watch The Hamlet than the last three seasons, as the 'party on the terraces' has snowballed, with old fans mixing and accepted new fans, regardless of background. That's what scares me most..this being a 'flash in the pan'. Sure, some fans will drift away, that is the nature of the beast of non-league football...but we can & MUST build on what we have. Can we increase crowds? Who knows? Is the Club geared to cpoing with even bigger crowds? Who knows? But what I do know is that as a group of fans we are earning a reputation for good support, even when we're losing. Long may that continue. When you get the respect of opposition fans like Wealdstone you're doing something right....
So hope to see as many of you as possible on Tuesday night at home to Hanwell Town in the London Senior Cup. I don't know if Gavin will field th full team, but so what? Let's show our 'shadow squad', if that's what we play again, that we support our team through thick and thin, even for what many see as a minor cup competition.
And Saturday, away to Wingate & Finchley, easy to get to, a short bus ride from Finchley Central on the Northern Line, from memory. They are a friendly club, but with small crowds. If we turn up at away games like we have been then we could well outnumber them...do you really want to miss that for a bit of over priced commercialised christmas tat?
How many of our new(veau) fans will just stop coming if we are not successful? Part of the reason we MUST sing, bring flags, be proud to be broadly a lefty led fanbase & so on, is because this is what makes it fun, and attacts people back. Otherwise we may as well turn the clock back to six years ago when it was a chore to watch The Hamlet, something done, if those of us who are lifelong fans want to admit, we did simply out of habit. It has quite simply never been more enoyable to watch The Hamlet than the last three seasons, as the 'party on the terraces' has snowballed, with old fans mixing and accepted new fans, regardless of background. That's what scares me most..this being a 'flash in the pan'. Sure, some fans will drift away, that is the nature of the beast of non-league football...but we can & MUST build on what we have. Can we increase crowds? Who knows? Is the Club geared to cpoing with even bigger crowds? Who knows? But what I do know is that as a group of fans we are earning a reputation for good support, even when we're losing. Long may that continue. When you get the respect of opposition fans like Wealdstone you're doing something right....
So hope to see as many of you as possible on Tuesday night at home to Hanwell Town in the London Senior Cup. I don't know if Gavin will field th full team, but so what? Let's show our 'shadow squad', if that's what we play again, that we support our team through thick and thin, even for what many see as a minor cup competition.
And Saturday, away to Wingate & Finchley, easy to get to, a short bus ride from Finchley Central on the Northern Line, from memory. They are a friendly club, but with small crowds. If we turn up at away games like we have been then we could well outnumber them...do you really want to miss that for a bit of over priced commercialised christmas tat?
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hiraethified
THere's some interesting comments on the Wealdstone forum. They seem impressed with the Hamlet crowd 
http://www.wealdstonefc.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=7080&start=30
Cassiusclayvey
New Member
Didn't manage to make it, was the infamous wealdstone raider there? ( the real one)
Also, maybe an event, similar to that benefit quiz, could be done to get some funds together for more/larger flags and banners. The dulwich colours really stand out and a wall of pink and blue would only do wonders for the match day experience and the club as a whole. Strongly believe the effort on the terraces makes a big difference to the actual teams fortunes
Also, maybe an event, similar to that benefit quiz, could be done to get some funds together for more/larger flags and banners. The dulwich colours really stand out and a wall of pink and blue would only do wonders for the match day experience and the club as a whole. Strongly believe the effort on the terraces makes a big difference to the actual teams fortunes
vornstyle76
Dundela FC, Transpontine Diaspora Brigade
I suppose Wealdstone's older fanbase, less affected by the financial crisis and it's stagnant neoliberal rescue than the younger generation*, are comfortable enough to think of politics as posturing and tiresome. I mean, come on, that @dlindenuk twitter user, obviously trying through the use of the word "hipster" to invoke notions of middle class postmodernity amongst our young and probably increasingly precariat support, is apparently working the clearly minimum wage job 'Director of Transformation, e-Experience at Sky'. Ha ha ha.
* = http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/7831bd68-6f56-11e1-b368-00144feab49a.html#axzz2mGcUOLSn and http://www.theguardian.com/society/2013/may/15/cuts-inequality-oecd and http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-23222287 and believe me I could go on & on.
Just you wait, as soon as the youngsters on the left leave home and are forced to fend for their un-asseted selves in the post-2008 landscape they'll be bringing the polysexual ultra-leftist orgies to Wealdstone FC.
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Oh what might have been for their fans...if only there hadn't been that split between the Ruislip Manor Maoists and the the Rayners Lane Radicals. ;-)
And if they think our fans are of the hipster variety...I hope they never play Clapton! ;-)
And if they think our fans are of the hipster variety...I hope they never play Clapton! ;-)
vornstyle76
Dundela FC, Transpontine Diaspora Brigade
Clapton's a good example actually which shows I'm not just being biased Hamlet nutball. Both of us: notable element of younger fans + doing something vaguely interesting on the terrace = get called hipsters. Oh no! Some old goats in North London are calling us hipsters, dismantle the paraphernalia quick lest the shame burn my cheeks a brighter red than they already are!!!
Monkeygrinder's Organ
Dodgy geezer swilling vapid lager
Moaning about hipsters is dull as fuck even when directed at people who might actually be hipsters (see this very forum for loads of examples) tbh, let alone talking about non-league football fans.
vornstyle76
Dundela FC, Transpontine Diaspora Brigade
Indeed. My ex's 14 year old son and his mates lately started referring to themselves as hipsters in that hotbed of arts-led gentrification: the poorest part of Plymouth.
Yorick
Active Member
Hi guys, one of the new Hamlet devotees here. For the past two months I've been unable to walk past a car-wash without the smell inducing Proustian spasms of Erhunulation and I've been spending every spare moment in my mindless data-inputting job searching the internet for articles I've yet to read about DHFC. I have now read them all. So here I am.
Me and my friends haven't missed a home game since September, and have been slowly integrating ourselves into The Rabble (in fact there's a lovely picture of us on this very forum of us at the Letherhead match), and we've been doing the best to join in with chanting and small badge-based abuse.
We're all recent grads/students from Goldsmiths and we've been adding to our numbers every week (we'll have two virgins along tomorrow to sacrifice at half time if things aren't going well), so we'll be doing our best to add weight to the "hipster" insults as the season goes on.
I don't want to end on a low point, but do feel compelled to say that I did hear this a couple of times - however not with any changed words (perhaps changing a single line is too subtle?). It left a bit of a sour taste, because not hearing this kind of rubbish is the kind of thing that's attracted me to Champion Hill so much.
I'm sorry to say it did bother me (especially as I heard one bit of homophobic abuse at half time too), and was wondering if there was a way some of us could try and combat this? Possibly by singing the loy, loy, loy chant every time we hear it?
Obviously, you guys have been here years and don't want some jumped-up newbie coming in and playing thought police or telling you how best to deal with it, but from reading posts here and experiencing the extraodinary loveliness of The Rabble I thought it was something I could bring up without being shouted down.
Anyway, Saturday was my first experience of a Hamlet defeat and I'm happy to say it's not abated our obsession in the slightest, so don't worry Mishi, we'll be sticking around for a good while yet!
FORWARD, TOWARDS PERMANENT PROMOTION etc etc
Me and my friends haven't missed a home game since September, and have been slowly integrating ourselves into The Rabble (in fact there's a lovely picture of us on this very forum of us at the Letherhead match), and we've been doing the best to join in with chanting and small badge-based abuse.
We're all recent grads/students from Goldsmiths and we've been adding to our numbers every week (we'll have two virgins along tomorrow to sacrifice at half time if things aren't going well), so we'll be doing our best to add weight to the "hipster" insults as the season goes on.
I don't want to end on a low point, but do feel compelled to say that I did hear this a couple of times - however not with any changed words (perhaps changing a single line is too subtle?). It left a bit of a sour taste, because not hearing this kind of rubbish is the kind of thing that's attracted me to Champion Hill so much.
I'm sorry to say it did bother me (especially as I heard one bit of homophobic abuse at half time too), and was wondering if there was a way some of us could try and combat this? Possibly by singing the loy, loy, loy chant every time we hear it?
Obviously, you guys have been here years and don't want some jumped-up newbie coming in and playing thought police or telling you how best to deal with it, but from reading posts here and experiencing the extraodinary loveliness of The Rabble I thought it was something I could bring up without being shouted down.
Anyway, Saturday was my first experience of a Hamlet defeat and I'm happy to say it's not abated our obsession in the slightest, so don't worry Mishi, we'll be sticking around for a good while yet!
FORWARD, TOWARDS PERMANENT PROMOTION etc etc
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hiraethified
I grew up on the regular taste of defeat, served fresh most Saturdays, so I'll be still at the hamlet even if they drop down to the bottom and beyond. One of my best ever seasons supporting my now ex-team* was when we were struggling to survive at the bottom of Division 4. Shitty crowds, shitty stadiums, awful football but magnificent singing. I loved it!
(*Cardiff City now abandoned in response to corporate rebranding)
(*Cardiff City now abandoned in response to corporate rebranding)
vornstyle76
Dundela FC, Transpontine Diaspora Brigade
I'm amazed at the sheer hypocrisy if nothing else of the homophobic abuse at half-time considering the crap we sometimes get for wearing pink. I didn't hear it, and haven't heard any in the three years I've been, but best thing to do is challenge it. I've done this a couple of times with other comments and even if it sparks an argument they tend to end up thinking it through and not do it again.
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hiraethified
I didn't hear it but I reckon I would have 'ad a word.
Yorick
Active Member
It was just one lad calling the keeper a "gay c*nt", once, on the stroke of half time. I wish I did have a word, but sad truth is I didn't really feel confident enough.
In terms of support, having grown up a Blackburn Rovers fan in the immediate post-Premiership winning years, I am more than capable of maintaining my love for a club through years of disappointment and bad football. Not that I think we need to worry about that here any time soon...
vornstyle76
Dundela FC, Transpontine Diaspora Brigade
One thing about the "is wonderful" chant, even if I was cool with the cringey 1980s The Sun style sexism (which I most certainly ain't), is that everywhere else sings it, exactly the same words with the place and team crowbarred in. South London is wonderful, and therefore not identikit to Manchester, Glasgow, Wigan, Melbourne and, god help us, North/West/East London. Call me a deranged South London nationalist if you please, but I do think there's more to be said for our half-city. That's the other reason why I started sticking "bear-baiting" in, just to add a bit of historical transpontine flavour.
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