Donald Trump, the road that might not lead to the White House!

[TomUS]

Yeah Tom, we discussed his despicable selling out of his supporters earlier. I believe many of his supporters have made plain they supported the message the man represented, not necessarily himself as an individual. Particularly now he's coming out with a completely different message to the one he held until a few months ago. Namely that this murderous crook and pawn of Wall street would make an absolutely fantastic President after all . That's certainly not why they supported him and donated their hard earned cash to him. They might as well just have given it to Clinton .

That's why they're booing the man who betrayed them .

BTW, Bill is about to address the convention. Don't miss it. Bubba is pretty persuasive. He might change your mind about both him & Hillary.

 

[Casually Red]

It's highly unlikely his patter will make me forget about the million or so Iraqis he murdered, his destruction of Belgrade , his corruption, his barefaced lies or the women he got away with raping. Much less how corrupt, warmongering and sociopathic his evil wife is. I've heard enough of his bullshit to last me a lifetime .

Plainly works on your moral compass though. Which I assume is every bit as exceptional as his .

 

[CRI]

The "America is the greatest nation," stuff is something most Americans absorb and regurgitate without thinking what it means. Various versions of it get drilled into us from birth and it sort of sticks. If a politician didn't say it fairly frequently, folks would think it weird, then probably accuse them of being unpatriotic. Hell, that happens even when someone is saying it. Nevermind.

I've hated George F. Will with a passion all my life, so am genuinely surprised to hear he has some integrity. I think he's also probably right on this.

Trump won’t release his tax returns because they may show how deeply he’s involved with Russian oligarchs.

I was also puzzling over why so many fundamentalist Christians embrace Trump, possibly the most "ungodly" candidate to ever have a chance at the White House. While it's true there's rarely much logic or consistency to Christian fundi folk views, surely endorsing such an uber sinner must stick in the craw.

But, every day, they're praying for judgement day to come, and soon. I suspect they're selectively reading the book of Revelations and hoping Trump is the Antichrist who'll make their prayers come true.

Well, goody gumdrops.

 

[Casually Red]

The "America is the greatest nation," stuff is something most Americans absorb and regurgitate without thinking what it means. Various versions of it get drilled into us from birth and it sort of sticks. If a politician didn't say it fairly frequently, folks would think it weird, then probably accuse them of being unpatriotic. Hell, that happens even when someone is saying it. Nevermind.

I've hated George F. Will with a passion all my life, so am genuinely surprised to hear he has some integrity. I think he's also probably right on this.

Trump won’t release his tax returns because they may show how deeply he’s involved with Russian oligarchs.

I was also puzzling over why so many fundamentalist Christians embrace Trump, possibly the most "ungodly" candidate to ever have a chance at the White House. While it's true there's rarely much logic or consistency to Christian fundi folk views, surely endorsing such an uber sinner must stick in the craw.

But, every day, they're praying for judgement day to come, and soon. I suspect they're selectively reading the book of Revelations and hoping Trump is the Antichrist who'll make their prayers come true.

Well, goody gumdrops.

Anti Christ ? Seriously man...compared to Clinton with her record and the crazies in her camp ? I think that's way over the top tbh .

I'd urge people again to take a look again at that clip of trumps views on American exceptional ism. He honestly thinks that entire world view is utter bullshit. Even though he's in a venue were he could cynically come off with that sort of shit and be cheered to the rafters...and were from the question the interviewer assumes hell go that route...he went the direct opposite . There's a lot of shitty stuff about that guy but warmongering isn't it . He simply doesn't take that attitude of superiority to the world at large . And understands its utter bollocks and you just can't and shouldn't . It's a breath of fresh air in US politics as far as I'm concerned . Finally someone at the top called that bullshit for what it is. Just as he stood on the GOP podium and dismissed conservatism itself . And not a fuck given .

I'm even encouraged..to an extent..by some of his attitudes towards Cuba and even some regarding Palestine. And his stance on mending bridges with Russia...oh hes a Russian agent. Trump..a Russian fucking agent . There's a lot of bollocks talked about this guy. Even though he talks a lot of bollocks himself .
And all this scaremongering is just liberal snobbery . It's hype ,

Trump a Russian agent now. And it's his supporters supposed to be the fucking idiots .

Another thing I've learned is liberals are ...ultimately..fine with genocide , warmongering and corruption. With Clintons Iraq record . Doesn't make You unfit for office providing your politically correct. Utter fucking hypocrisy . It should make someone automatically unfit for office is you've any moral compass at all .

Clinton fits the anti Christ role way more fittingly than Trump. The woman has no soul. She's simply evil . She is responsible for actual evil . Big time evil . But she gets a complete free ride over it from liberal hypocrites .

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

Casually Red and Richard Spencer both think that Trump is a better choice than Hillary Clinton.

Do you think he might turn more people towards your views?
Yes. Unquestionably. I think it's happening. It's amazing how many people I've met who have said, "I just discovered these ideas six months ago." You could say something's in the air, maybe Trump opens up space because he's so bombastic and willing to talk about the things that people don't want to talk about. Even if you don't agree with him, there's almost a liberating aspect to him. He's willing to go there. He's willing to talk about the things that make people uncomfortable. Trump has unquestionably brought people to our ideas.

We Asked a White Supremacist What He Thinks of Donald Trump | VICE | United States

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

Plainly your not scared by Hillary Clinton and her PNAC chums going out to face down Russia.

But..... the big objection to Hillary is.... she's Lying Hillary. Crooked Hillary.

So if she doesn't tell the truth, and misleads the people.......... why do you believe that she's telling the truth when she says she wants to 'face down Russia'?

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

Casually Red and David Duke both think that Trump is a better choice than Hillary.

Former Ku Klux Klan leader David Duke is running for the U.S. Senate, linking his decision to Donald Trump’s bid for the presidency and the business mogul’s proposals on trade and immigration.

Duke, a vocal Trump supporter, announced his candidacy for the seat in Louisiana on Friday and said he was “overjoyed” to see the businessman’s campaign “embrace most of the issues that I’ve championed for years,” including the nationalist and protectionist notion of “America First.”

Former KKK leader David Duke, citing Trump, announces Senate bid

 

[Casually Red]

Probably the lamest rebuttals I've encountered yet on this thread .

 

[phildwyer]

I'd urge people again to take a look again at that clip of trumps views on American exceptional ism. He honestly thinks that entire world view is utter bullshit. Even though he's in a venue were he could cynically come off with that sort of shit and be cheered to the rafters...and were from the question the interviewer assumes hell go that route...he went the direct opposite . There's a lot of shitty stuff about that guy but warmongering isn't it . He simply doesn't take that attitude of superiority to the world at large . And understands its utter bollocks and you just can't and shouldn't . It's a breath of fresh air in US politics as far as I'm concerned . Finally someone at the top called that bullshit for what it is. Just as he stood on the GOP podium and dismissed conservatism itself . And not a fuck given .

I'm even encouraged..to an extent..by some of his attitudes towards Cuba and even some regarding Palestine. And his stance on mending bridges with Russia...oh hes a Russian agent. Trump..a Russian fucking agent . There's a lot of bollocks talked about this guy. Even though he talks a lot of bollocks himself .
And all this scaremongering is just liberal snobbery . It's hype ,

It is indeed refreshing to see a candidate heap deserved scorn on the politicians and the media. This is the first time it's happened, and Trump deserves credit for that.

But you're sadly mistaken if you think Trump is in any way, shape or form a Good Thing. He is undoubtedly better than Hillary, but that is hardly saying much.

Trump is the logical consequence of the contempt with which the American establishment has treated the democratic process for many years--ever since they tried to pass Reagan off as a serious candidate for office. Serves them right too. If you reduce the process to matters of image, spin, perception etc., you can't complain when you're beaten by a real master of those arts.

 

[8den]

That seems to be trumps message. He's basically saying that the place is a massive shit hole, run by corrupt shit heads with its infrastructure falling to bits . A lot of people seem to agree with him .

But it's not. The constant refrain about murder and death in Trumps speech, American crime levels are at their lowest in decades.

 

[J Ed]

But it's not. The constant refrain about murder and death in Trumps speech, American crime levels are at their lowest in decades.

Doesn't really matter, social media and the way that traditional media has adapted to keep up with it means that we are hyperaware of it in a way we never were before. US infrastructure is pretty awful, way behind most of Europe. US politicians are astonishingly corrupt, corruption is built into the system through lobbying and money in a way it isn't here, but the biggest factor I think is the fact that most Americans have seen a decline in their wage in real terms since the 70s. The Clintonite answer to all of this is going to be that everything is great, the only bad thing about America is haters like Trump! I can't believe that the candidate of endless war is running on a campaign of 'love', it's patronising and tone deaf and I think she is going to lose.

 

[CRI]

Anti Christ ? Seriously man...compared to Clinton with her record and the crazies in her camp ? I think that's way over the top tbh .

I'd urge people again to take a look again at that clip of trumps views on American exceptional ism. He honestly thinks that entire world view is utter bullshit. Even though he's in a venue were he could cynically come off with that sort of shit and be cheered to the rafters...and were from the question the interviewer assumes hell go that route...he went the direct opposite . There's a lot of shitty stuff about that guy but warmongering isn't it . He simply doesn't take that attitude of superiority to the world at large . And understands its utter bollocks and you just can't and shouldn't . It's a breath of fresh air in US politics as far as I'm concerned . Finally someone at the top called that bullshit for what it is. Just as he stood on the GOP podium and dismissed conservatism itself . And not a fuck given .

I'm even encouraged..to an extent..by some of his attitudes towards Cuba and even some regarding Palestine. And his stance on mending bridges with Russia...oh hes a Russian agent. Trump..a Russian fucking agent . There's a lot of bollocks talked about this guy. Even though he talks a lot of bollocks himself .
And all this scaremongering is just liberal snobbery . It's hype ,

Trump a Russian agent now. And it's his supporters supposed to be the fucking idiots .

Another thing I've learned is liberals are ...ultimately..fine with genocide , warmongering and corruption. With Clintons Iraq record . Doesn't make You unfit for office providing your politically correct. Utter fucking hypocrisy . It should make someone automatically unfit for office is you've any moral compass at all .

Clinton fits the anti Christ role way more fittingly than Trump. The woman has no soul. She's simply evil . She is responsible for actual evil . Big time evil . But she gets a complete free ride over it from liberal hypocrites .

Pal, I'm talking about why American Fundi Christians are backing the extremely ungodly (in their eyes) Trump. They also shovel cash into Zionist causes for the same reason, despite being varying degrees of antisemitic and believing the Jews killed Christ.

You really haven't a clue though, do you?

 

[Pickman's model]

Pal, I'm talking about why American Fundi Christians are backing the extremely ungodly (in their eyes) Trump. They also shovel cash into Zionist causes for the same reason, despite being varying degrees of antisemitic and believing the Jews killed Christ.

You really haven't a clue though, do you?

it's widely known why xian zionists are zionist and it has nothing to do with philo-semitism

 

[agricola]

Pal, I'm talking about why American Fundi Christians are backing the extremely ungodly (in their eyes) Trump. They also shovel cash into Zionist causes for the same reason, despite being varying degrees of antisemitic and believing the Jews killed Christ.

You really haven't a clue though, do you?

They are funding Trump because he is the only game in town now, its either him or someone who they really do view only slightly more favourably than the antichrist (and even then, they aren't backing him to the hilt).

When they actually had a choice, that lot were funding Cruz.

 

[Pickman's model]

But, every day, they're praying for judgement day to come, and soon. I suspect they're selectively reading the book of Revelations and hoping Trump is the Antichrist who'll make their prayers come true.

perhaps you should read 'allies for armageddon'

 

[CRI]

Doesn't really matter, social media and the way that traditional media has adapted to keep up with it means that we are hyperaware of it in a way we never were before. US infrastructure is pretty awful, way behind most of Europe. US politicians are astonishingly corrupt, corruption is built into the system through lobbying and money in a way it isn't here, but the biggest factor I think is the fact that most Americans have seen a decline in their wage in real terms since the 70s. The Clintonite answer to all of this is going to be that everything is great, the only bad thing about America is haters like Trump! I can't believe that the candidate of endless war is running on a campaign of 'love', it's patronising and tone deaf and I think she is going to lose.

Yup, sadly appeals to fear tend to get people off their arses more than appeals to hope.

The reality of crime stats or anything other "facts" don't seem to matter in the US election - same as with the EU referendum here. It's like we've all become used to virtual reality, photoshopping, fantasy stuff, that folks don't trust or believe anything is real. So they follow whoever tells them what they want to hear. Facts don't matter.

 

[CRI]

They are funding Trump because he is the only game in town now, its either him or someone who they really do view only slightly more favourably than the antichrist (and even then, they aren't backing him to the hilt).

When they actually had a choice, that lot were funding Cruz.

Many, but not all. Never underestimate how much some fundamentalist Christians want the world to end.

 

[krtek a houby]

Casually Red and David Duke both think that Trump is a better choice than Hillary.



Former KKK leader David Duke, citing Trump, announces Senate bid

Like attracts like.

 

[phildwyer]

BTW, Bill is about to address the convention. Don't miss it. Bubba is pretty persuasive.

Of course he is, he's a seducer and a conman. Quite possibly the most obviously untrustworthy individual I've ever set eyes on.

 

[krtek a houby]

Of course he is, he's a seducer and a conman. Quite possibly the most obviously untrustworthy individual I've ever set eyes on.

Sounds a bit like Trump

 

[belboid]

Of course he is, he's a seducer and a conman. Quite possibly the most obviously untrustworthy individual I've ever set eyes on.

Don't you own a mirror?

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

No offence but this sounds like yet another excuse for them . That somebody else made them do it . As always when it comes to the Clintons. Greenspan has little choice to admit he was wrong given the scale of the unmitigated disaster which followed the Clintons policy that everyone could see . Hillary Clinton is thoroughly bought and paid for by the very institutions that benefitted immensely from the Clintons gutting of Glass Steagal .

Bush went to war with the help of Hillary Clinton and her fellow democrats . His Project for a New American century lunatics are now in the Clinton entourage . Along with Kissinger . And have been for years . Her recanting of her decision to support it was belated to say the least. And only long after , like Glass Steagal, the position of supporting it became a public liability . A disaster everyone could see and therefore a liability in terms of votes . A tactical withdrawal rather than an honest admission of wrong or a change of a heart she doesnt possess . That harpie doesn't learn from unmitigated disasters . She is one .

They haven't admitted they're wrong . Far from it. Instead she's rewarded them with further office , further power and if elected will be giving them he opportunity to peruse their insane fascism even further . And insane fascism it is . Without a shadow of a doubt .

No offense to you, but you seem to think I have such great options here. I think Trump is crazy. Yes, Clinton is corrupt. In a choice between crazy and corrupt and just corrupt, I have to go with corrupt. Again, if you can find me a viable option that isn't Trump or Clinton, I'll be happy to have a look.

 

[The Octagon]

Interesting timing.... Reagan would-be assassin John Hinckley Jr to be released - BBC News

 

[Xenonxenon]

No offense to you, but you seem to think I have such great options here. I think Trump is crazy. Yes, Clinton is corrupt. In a choice between crazy and corrupt and just corrupt, I have to go with corrupt. Again, if you can find me a viable option that isn't Trump or Clinton, I'll be happy to have a look.

Collaborating with the far right because they are `anti-establishment` is pretty popular amongst washed up, hopeless old commies/anarchists at the moment. it's all they have left (apart from all being white lads of course )

 

[Casually Red]

It is indeed refreshing to see a candidate heap deserved scorn on the politicians and the media. This is the first time it's happened, and Trump deserves credit for that.

But you're sadly mistaken if you think Trump is in any way, shape or form a Good Thing. He is undoubtedly better than Hillary, but that is hardly saying much.

Trump is the logical consequence of the contempt with which the American establishment has treated the democratic process for many years--ever since they tried to pass Reagan off as a serious candidate for office. Serves them right too. If you reduce the process to matters of image, spin, perception etc., you can't complain when you're beaten by a real master of those arts.

I've never once said he was a good thing . He plainly isn't. I believe I've referred to him numerous times as awful, grotesque, an asshole, a buffoon etc . But nowhere near as bad or as dangerous as Clinton . the best analogy I've seen of him, via a Sanders supporter , was comparing him to someone trapped in the desert faced with the choice of certain death or having to chop their foot off. An awful choice but a necessary one given the horrific alternative .

And the fascism things a fucking joke. On about the same level as him being a Putinbot . Fear factor and scaremongering .

 

[Casually Red]

No offense to you, but you seem to think I have such great options here. I think Trump is crazy. Yes, Clinton is corrupt. In a choice between crazy and corrupt and just corrupt, I have to go with corrupt. Again, if you can find me a viable option that isn't Trump or Clinton, I'll be happy to have a look.

Clintons crazy . what other excuse is there for having PNAC in your entourage ? She actually believes that shit . It's the definition of insane . Particularly when it's been done continually and the outcome is always the same ...a global catastrophe with horrific repercussions that will be felt for generations to come . Iraq, Libya, Syria....where next ?

Trumps made clear umpteen times he rejects that entire way of thinking. Rejects confrontation with Russia also . That's not crazy. That's sanity . Unless one is either crazy or just plain stupid enough to believe Clinton and PNACs course can continue to be followed and somehow , this time., It won't be an unmitigated catastrophe . Because make no mistake about it once she's in a showdown with Moscow is on the cards . It'll be the big one, the definitive one . Don't doubt that for a minute .
Corruption is the least of her faults . Sociopathic warmongering is top of the list. And her body count and and the string of destroyed nations already under her belt makes her morally , spiritually and psychologically unfit for office.

 

[Casually Red]

Of course he is, he's a seducer and a conman. Quite possibly the most obviously untrustworthy individual I've ever set eyes on.

He's also a mass murderer and a genocidist . And a rapist .

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

And her body count and and the string of destroyed nations already under her belt makes her morally , spiritually and psychologically unfit for office.

This assertions shows a lack of understanding of how the US government works.

The President's wife does not have the power to initiate nor wage war.

The Secretary of State does not have the power to initiate nor wage war.

 

[Casually Red]

This assertions shows a lack of understanding of how the US government works.

The President's wife does not have the power to initiate nor wage war.

The Secretary of State does not have the power to initiate nor wage war.

That just shows how much understanding you have . The truth of the matter is she shouldn't have the power . She did though . The Clintons aren't just man and wife, they're a self publicised political double act . They advertsised themselves as and operated as a 2 for one deal .


You plainly don't understand the Clintons didn't declare war on Iraq. They oversaw a genocidal sanctions regime that killed around one million Iraqi civilians . 2 UN overseers of that sanctions regime resigned in disgust, one after another flatly calling it genocide. Every attempt by fellow UNSC members to bring that horror to an end was vetoed by the US administration...the Clintons. And their mouthpiece Albright publicly declared the civilian death toll was " worth it " . They're genociders


As for Libya Obama , Kerry et al opposed bombing . Clinton made sure it happened.

The Libya Gamble: Inside Hillary Clinton's Push for War & the Making of a Failed State | Democracy Now!


Hillary Clinton Turned a Stable, Developed Nation Into an ISIS Safe Haven. That's the Real Benghazi Scandal


How Hillary Clinton Lied Her Way to War in Libya




And now she's been caught out fixing the Democratic National convention. Something else she shouldn't have the power to do but did anyway . Richard Nixon was impeached and had to resign over an attempt to that . This demon skates again thanks to liberal tribalism. No crime is too big or too despicable.


Eta

And for that alone, for repeatedly enabling this monster out of blind political tribalism her supporters fully deserve to get Trump. That's what happens when you've no morals, no conscience and no standards in your voting habits. It's the last chance to hold this murdering, thoroughly dishonest criminal to account.

And If she wins the world could well be done for.

 

[J Ed]

This is a good example of Trump saying something that is actually fairly reasonable that will outrage people who the average American hates, they will then attack Trump which will further coalesce his support. Then the cycle will begin again..