Donald Trump, the road that might not lead to the White House!

[8den]

Why are you guys getting worked up about a New York Post article? It's the equivalent of The Sun.

I don't give credence to the NYP but I do see the MASSIVE conflict of interests in Trump's business affairs, which is essentially Trump asking us to trust him and his children to be scrupulously honest in their business affairs. Essentially a concept so laughable, my computer struggled to let me type the words.

 

[Pickman's model]

I don't give credence to the NYP but I do see the MASSIVE conflict of interests in Trump's business affairs, which is essentially Trump asking us to trust him and his children to be scrupulously honest in their business affairs. Essentially a concept so laughable, my computer struggled to let me type the words.

i would be surprised if his kids are given top security clearance

 

[little_legs]

I don't give credence to the NYP but I do see the MASSIVE conflict of interests in Trump's business affairs, which is essentially Trump asking us to trust him and his children to be scrupulously honest in their business affairs. Essentially a concept so laughable, my computer struggled to let me type the words.

So will the White House Counsel.

 

[8den]

So will the White House Counsel.

Who will, of course, be Trump's appointees. Not strictly relevant but a good insight into what will happen is 2006's book "Imperial life in the Emerald City" by Rajiv Chandrasekaran (and the regrettable film Green Zone). It details how Bush's cabinet catastrophically mismanaged the rebuilding of Iraq, through nepotism and appointment's based on loyalty ahead of competence. Also how naked profiteering by the Bush cabinet and American "security consultants" all turned Iraq into the breeding ground for ISIS.

 

[Pickman's model]

Who will, of course, be Trump's appointees

yeh cos lawyers only ever say what think their clients want to hear leaving aside that the white house counsel is not the president's personal lawyer

 

[stupid kid]

i would be surprised if his kids are given top security clearance

Read somewhere after 1/20 he can do it himself, and given how he just doesn't care about the appearance of obvious conflicts of interest, I imagine he will.

Funny actually, just heard a report on the radio that the first female president of South Korea is close to being forced to resign due to conflicts of interest, and the pressure intensified when it was revealed that she routinely turned to a friend with no policy experience or security clearance for political advice, including regarding North Korea, but that her presidency may be saved due to national security fears brought on by the election of... Donald Trump.

 

[Pickman's model]

Read somewhere after 1/20 he can do it himself, and given how he just doesn't care about the appearance of obvious conflicts of interest, I imagine he will.

Funny actually, just heard a report on the radio that the first female president of South Korea is close to being forced to resign due to conflicts of interest, and the pressure intensified when it was revealed that she routinely turned to a friend with no policy experience or security clearance for political advice, including regarding North Korea, but that her presidency may be saved due to national security fears brought on by the election of... Donald Trump.

yes. but this presents an obvious problem for yer man, that while he may give them clearance they may of course misuse it - perhaps to their financial gain (he might of course too, but that's another matter): it seems to me it sets him up for a bit of a fall.

 

[stupid kid]

yes. but this presents an obvious problem for yer man, that while he may give them clearance they may of course misuse it - perhaps to their financial gain (he might of course too, but that's another matter): it seems to me it sets him up for a bit of a fall.

But nothing sets him up for a fall. When he falls, he just falls upwards somehow, it's like 1997 Blair on steroids and unicorn shit. When it comes out that A) they did get clearance and B) they used his office and links with congress to enhance their own financial positions, his supporters will just attack the media and ignore the offense. The real conservatives, many of who would actually call this kind of shit out and hated it when Bush did it, are just a side note now. (Except for the few who've stopped masturbating to Rand long enough to pretend to be friends of the working class).

 

[Pickman's model]

But nothing sets him up for a fall. When he falls, he just falls upwards somehow, it's like 1997 Blair on steroids and unicorn shit. When it comes out that A) they did get clearance and B) they used his office and links with congress to enhance their own financial positions, his supporters will just attack the media and ignore the offense. The real conservatives, many of who would actually call this kind of shit out and hated it when Bush did it, are just a side note now. (Except for the few who've stopped masturbating to Rand long enough to pretend to be friends of the working class).

you say that. and of course you're right that his supporters may just attack the media and ignore the offence. whether the courts would be supine remains to be seen.

 

[Jurrihahay]

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Nothing has happened as a result of that appointment.

 

[little_legs]

Who will, of course, be Trump's appointees. Not strictly relevant but a good insight into what will happen is 2006's book "Imperial life in the Emerald City" by Rajiv Chandrasekaran (and the regrettable film Green Zone). It details how Bush's cabinet catastrophically mismanaged the rebuilding of Iraq, through nepotism and appointment's based on loyalty ahead of competence. Also how naked profiteering by the Bush cabinet and American "security consultants" all turned Iraq into the breeding ground for ISIS.

Though it might be someone the demon likes/knows, the WHC is not the President's personal lawyer. The WHC's job is to protect the President's office, which means that the demon may choose to ignore the WHC's advice, but there is legislation which has been mentioned a couple of times on this thread about family members.

Not familiar with the book nor the film, but I am certain that the appointment of the companies/consultants was the result of the open competition tenders.

 

[stupid kid]

you say that. and of course you're right that his supporters may just attack the media and ignore the offence. whether the courts would be supine remains to be seen.

I guess I should try to remember that it's still a nation of laws, of checks and balances on executive power (he hasn't taken over yet, heh). I'm just on tilt right now because I could see this phenomenon occurring and hastening for a while, but I never realized it could effectively render the media useless when they actually do their job and expose lies and gigantic character deficits.

I'm now asking myself what would he have to do? Policy wise, Ann Coulter said go back on immigration pledges, and he's u-turned a lot so who knows there, but in terms of personal issues, maybe he'll actually try shooting someone on 5th ave just to test it out. I realize now he actually understood the lay of the land here well in advance of many others, and that the 5th avenue comment wasn't his usual hubristic bullshit but a somewhat exaggerated explanation of what he was observing.

 

[8den]

Though it might be someone the demon likes/knows, the WHC is not the President's personal lawyer. The WHC's job is to protect the President's office, which means that the demon may choose to ignore the WHC's advice, but there is legislation which has been mentioned a couple of times on this thread about family members.

Not familiar with the book nor the film, but I am certain that the appointment of the companies/consultants was the result of the open competition tenders.

The guy who put in charge of the Iraqi stock market was a 24yo delegate from the 2000 convention. The man in charge of traffic regulation was similarly qualified and just copied the laws of Maryland, where a convoy of armoured HumVee's traveling the wrong way down ah highway at speed, is not a frequent occurance.

 

[8den]

I guess I should try to remember that it's still a nation of laws, of checks and balances on executive power (he hasn't taken over yet, heh). I'm just on tilt right now because I could see this phenomenon occurring and hastening for a while, but I never realized it could effectively render the media useless when they actually do their job and expose lies and gigantic character deficits.

I'm now asking myself what would he have to do? Policy wise, Ann Coulter said go back on immigration pledges, and he's u-turned a lot so who knows there, but in terms of personal issues, maybe he'll actually try shooting someone on 5th ave just to test it out. I realize now he actually understood the lay of the land here well in advance of many others, and that the 5th avenue comment wasn't his usual hubristic bullshit but a somewhat exaggerated explanation of what he was observing.

The troubling part is that Trump will either be impeached if convicted by the forthcoming fraud trial or is forced to resign for a mind-boggling array of abuses of office. At which point we get President Pence, and that is terrifying.

 

[8den]

Nothing has happened as a result of that appointment.

Are you stupid or just being obtuse? Bannon wields no power (aside from running the soul of the alt-right the "news" site Breitbart, and his appointment in the President Elect's administration.) Repeating myself again after this would be pointless. Blocked.

 

[killer b]

Repeating yourself is pointless, yup. You should totally stop doing that.

 

[Jurrihahay]

Are you stupid or just being obtuse? Bannon wields no power (aside from running the soul of the alt-right the "news" site Breitbart, and his appointment in the President Elect's administration.) Repeating myself again after this would be pointless. Blocked.

Maybe that's why nothing's happened as a result of his appointment.

 

[8den]

John Bolton as secretary of state. Because Casually Red warned us that Hilary was a hawk.
Donald Trump Leaning Toward Extreme Militant John Bolton As Secretary Of State | The Huffington Post

 

[Vintage Paw]

Puts paid to the isolationist stuff.

 

[J Ed]

Featherstone is v good in general, especially here

Feminists misunderstood the presidential election from day one | Liza Featherstone

It turns out many women don’t care about Trump’s sexism – nor that Clinton is a woman. A majority of white women voted for Trump. And while Clinton did carry the female vote overall, her advantage among women was a percentage point less than Obama had enjoyed over Romney in 2012. This has left many American feminists reeling. Just how did this happen, they ask?

Lena Dunham, one of many woke, rich, Clinton-supporting celebrities who apparently do not impress the voters of Wisconsin, mourned that white women had been “so unable to see the unity of female identity”. But there is no unity of female identity and there never has been.

Clinton believed her major appeal was her gender. She also counted on women to be offended by Trump’s misogyny. But it turns out “woman” isn’t much of an identity – or even basis for solidarity – in itself.

Feminism has to deal with women in all their diversity. While there’s no doubt that one percenters like Lena Dunham and Katy Perry are bummed out by the election results, they are not affected by it in the same way as a woman operating a pile driver outside of Cleveland, an undocumented nanny from Honduras or an anti-abortion evangelical woman in Tulsa.

 

[inva]

what does woke mean?

 

[J Ed]

what does woke mean?

It's a now usually derisively or ironically used term to indicate radical politics. Like with the 'wake up sheeple thing', the person who is already awake in that scenario is woke.

 

[J Ed]

We need to talk about the online radicalisation of young, white men | Abi Wilkinson

 

[inva]

It's a now usually derisively or ironically used term to indicate radical politics. Like with the 'wake up sheeple thing', the person who is already awake in that scenario is woke.

cheers

 

[8den]

cheers

I don't think it's mainly a derogative term. The Alt Right have several derogative terms for men who oppose them including "Social Justice Warriors" , and "cucks' (taken from a submissive role in BDSM porn, which says a lot about the Alt Right's porn viewing habits), woke isn't the preferred nomenclature used by the Alt Right.

 

[CRI]

It's a now usually derisively or ironically used term to indicate radical politics. Like with the 'wake up sheeple thing', the person who is already awake in that scenario is woke.

That's not how I've seen it used without irony or derision amongst African American bloggers and commentators. They don't use it to indicate radical politics. It just means someone is "aware" or "clued up," particularly on structural oppression.

So depends on who's using it what it means.

Having said that, it's not like white folks ever nick stuff from minority groups, give them their own meanings then claim it's all theirs.

 

[J Ed]

I don't think it's mainly a derogative term. The Alt Right have several derogative terms for men who oppose them including "Social Justice Warriors" , and "cucks' (taken from a submissive role in BDSM porn, which says a lot about the Alt Right's porn viewing habits), woke isn't the preferred nomenclature used by the Alt Right.

I said derisive, not derogatively. People tend to use it ironically or sarcastically.

 

[J Ed]

That's not how I've seen it used without irony or derision amongst African American bloggers and commentators. They don't use it to indicate radical politics. It just means someone is "aware" or "clued up," particularly on structural oppression.

So depends on who's using it what it means.

Having said that, it's not like left wing white folks ever nick stuff from minority groups, give them their own meanings then claim it's all theirs.

Perhaps we can divide up which parts of the English language each race is allowed to use so we can all make extra sure that we aren't being racist.

 

[stupid kid]

RE: Woke as an insult. I think it just depends who you're talking to. There are definitely a lot of people on my feed using stay woke to mean "remain aware", or using it synonymously with "wise" or "well informed".

I grew up in London, if someone called me sir, I would assume it was a cute and slightly exaggerated piece of conversational flair, or to be taken sarcastically as an insult. I have friends from Chicago who had the same experience. Here in Texas, it's a genuine denotation of respect used often, especially from those senior to you. The first few times I got called sir at work I was thinking "wtf did he/she just say". So perhaps it's just a culture thing.

 

[Pickman's model]

RE: Woke as an insult. I think it just depends who you're talking to. There are definitely a lot of people on my feed using stay woke to mean "remain aware", or using it synonymously with "wise" or "well informed".

I grew up in London, if someone called me sir, I would assume it was a cute and slightly exaggerated piece of conversational flair, or to be taken sarcastically as an insult. I have friends from Chicago who had the same experience. Here in Texas, it's a genuine denotation of respect used often, especially from those senior to you. The first few times I got called sir at work I was thinking "wtf did he/she just say". So perhaps it's just a culture thing.

FROM those senior to you? are you sure?