Donald Trump, the road that might not lead to the White House!

[Johnny Canuck3]

One of Trump's main cheerleaders, tweeted this to the faithful:

Ann Coulter: "Without fat girls, there would be no protests"

Ann Coulter: "Without fat girls, there would be no protests" - CBS News

In my book, this qualifies as highly ignorant.

 

[Pickman's model]

No honey, not where I come from. It was a dry county (no vodka), bland food and not much reading beyond the requisite reading for high school English class.

Yeh. I said they retained their popularity, not they were universally popular

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

Perhaps we should just bomb them?

Perhaps a better first step in addressing the problem was offered by Justice Souter in the comment I posted above, wherein he laments the discontinuation of education in Civics, which used to be a staple of American education.

 

[J Ed]

One of Trump's main cheerleaders, tweeted this to the faithful:



Ann Coulter: "Without fat girls, there would be no protests" - CBS News

In my book, this qualifies as highly ignorant.

Reminds me of this quite similar hot take

Clinton surrogate on Trump: 'More ugly women in America than attractive women'

A Hillary Clinton surrogate said Donald Trump’s controversial remarks regarding women will hurt him in November because "there are probably more ugly women in America than attractive women."

Ed Rendell, the former governor of Pennsylvania, is the chairman of the Philadelphia 2016 Host Committee for this July’s Democratic National Convention.

 

[J Ed]

Perhaps a better first step in addressing the problem was offered by Justice Souter in the comment I posted above, wherein he laments the discontinuation of education in Civics, which used to be a staple of American education.

People are better educated now than they ever have been.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

People are better educated now than they ever have been.

Possibly in Britain; I don't know that that assumption can be made automatically about education in Canada and the United States.

 

[J Ed]

Possibly in Britain; I don't know that that assumption can be made automatically about education in Canada and the United States.

 

[Casually Red]

One of Trump's main cheerleaders, tweeted this to the faithful:



Ann Coulter: "Without fat girls, there would be no protests" - CBS News

In my book, this qualifies as highly ignorant.

You seem ignorant of the well known fact the odious Coulter is a professional controversialist and incessant self promoter and attention seeker . And says this stuff to provoke the very reaction you just gave her .

 

[Pickman's model]

I wouldn't say that necessarily means people are better educated, just that they are more educated. your graph speaks to quantity more than quality.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

Your graph says nothing about the content of the high school programs.

A graduate of Trump University may have completed 'University', but arguably did not receive as comprehensive an education as someone who has graduated from Harvard, Penn State, or MIT.

 

[J Ed]

I wouldn't say that necessarily means people are better educated, just that they are more educated.

I find the idea that the curriculum content is particularly relevant at all pretty insulting and stupid. This is a just another variation on two long standing poisonous memes that people who disagree are stupid and all social ills can be solved through education

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

I find the idea that the curriculum content is particularly relevant at all pretty insulting and stupid. This is a just another variation on two long standing poisonous memes that people who disagree are stupid and all social ills can be solved through education

One of the markers of racial disparity in the US is the different quality of schools, teachers, and as a result, overall education that many black children receive, as opposed to what is generally available to whites.

The leaders of the Black community in the US appear to be operating under a belief that improved education will be of some benefit to their constituents.

 

[Pickman's model]

I find the idea that the curriculum content is particularly relevant at all pretty insulting and stupid. This is a just another variation on two long standing poisonous memes that people who disagree are stupid and all social ills can be solved through education

No it isn't, I said nothing about course content

 

[Treacle Toes]

I find the idea that the curriculum content is particularly relevant at all pretty insulting and stupid.

Yet this is a major issue for teachers and education specialists... You disagree with them?

 

[andysays]

Your graph says nothing about the content of the high school programs.

A graduate of Trump University may have completed 'University', but arguably did not receive as comprehensive an education as someone who has graduated from Harvard, Penn State, or MIT.

So, only someone who has graduated from Harvard, Penn State, or MIT should be allowed to vote, or what?

What are you actually trying to say when arguing that people are too ignorant/not educated enough to elect Clinton?

And why, crucially, did this ignorance not prevent them from electing Obama, not once but twice? Are you suggesting that there's been a sudden growth in ignorance/decline in education in the last four/eight years?

 

[J Ed]

Yet this is a major issue for teachers and education specialists... You disagree with them?

Yes I disagree with all teachers

 

[Pickman's model]

Yet this is a major issue for teachers and education specialists... You disagree with them?

Seems happy to disagree with me on the basis of something I haven't said

 

[J Ed]

So, only someone who has graduated from Harvard, Penn State, or MIT should be allowed to vote, or what?

What are you actually trying to say when arguing that people are too ignorant/not educated enough to elect Clinton?

And why, crucially, did this ignorance not prevent them from electing Obama, not once but twice? Are you suggesting that there's been a sudden growth in ignorance/decline in education in the last four/eight years?

A thousand times this.

 

[J Ed]

Seems happy to disagree with me on the basis of something I haven't said

You are right tbh, I was conflating what you had said with what Johnny Cannuck said.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

...except I haven't said that all social ills can be corrected through education.

I will, however, say that some social ills can be ameliorated somewhat, through education.

For instance; giving children an education inculcating the common origins of people, the similarities between people, and the positive attributes of different cultures, could have a positive impact on reducing the amount of racism present in society.

 

[CRI]

Folks, you DO know there are some states where "creationism" is taught in schools, right? Even when I was in high school in a relatively "liberal" (in the American sense) window of the late 70's very early 80's, history, social studies, government, all those classes has a fairly jingoistic undercurrent. I know quite a few folks who are or were teachers in the US, and what is and isn't included in the curriculum, and the constraints placed on individual teachers to keep them "on message" must have a big impact on what people absorb.

And then there's the rise in "home schooling" and increased popularity of fundamentalist Christian "community" schools and bigger academies, that aren't subject to the same regulations as state schools. Seriously, there's been a couple decades now where fundy parents are pulling their kids from state schools to shield their precious children from Godless "liberal" teaching on stuff like science, sex and relationships, social studies, etc.

I'd say what is and isn't in the curriculum IS pretty important.

 

[J Ed]

...except I haven't said that all social ills can be corrected through education.

I will, however, say that some social ills can be ameliorated somewhat, through education.

For instance; giving children an education inculcating the common origins of people, the similarities between people, and the positive attributes of different cultures, could have a positive impact on reducing the amount of racism present in society.

Trump won with college educated white men.

 

[J Ed]

Perhaps, rather than being a question of education, Clinton was just a really bad candidate whose politics voters did not like.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

Trump won with college educated white men.

Not sure how that is responsive to my contention that some social ills can be ameliorated somewhat, through education.

 

[andysays]

Not sure how that is responsive to my contention that some social ills can be ameliorated somewhat, through education.

No one has disputed that contention, but we are still asking you to justify your original contention that Clinton's failure to win (in contrast to Obama's record of winning twice) is something to do with a failure of education.

 

[J Ed]

Not sure how that is responsive to my contention that some social ills can be ameliorated somewhat, through education.

Why make the point at all. This is just more grist to the 'the voters failed the political candidate' mill.

 

[J Ed]

No one has disputed that contention, but we are still asking you to justify your original contention that Clinton's failure to win (in contrast to Obama's record of winning twice) is something to do with a failure of education.

Clearly sometime between 2012 and 2016 the good people of Michigan stopped book learnin

 

[CRI]

Trump won with college educated white men.

And here we go full circle.

It. was. about. race.

Unpalatable as it seems, I'm convinced most people voted FOR Trump, not against Clinton. White Americans showed their loyalty to race above any loyalty to class, gender, etc.

 

[andysays]

Folks, you DO know there are some states where "creationism" is taught in schools, right? Even when I was in high school in a relatively "liberal" (in the American sense) window of the late 70's very early 80's, history, social studies, government, all those classes has a fairly jingoistic undercurrent. I know quite a few folks who are or were teachers in the US, and what is and isn't included in the curriculum, and the constraints placed on individual teachers to keep them "on message" must have a big impact on what people absorb.

And then there's the rise in "home schooling" and increased popularity of fundamentalist Christian "community" schools and bigger academies, that aren't subject to the same regulations as state schools. Seriously, there's been a couple decades now where fundy parents are pulling their kids from state schools to shield their precious children from Godless "liberal" teaching on stuff like science, sex and relationships, social studies, etc.

I'd say what is and isn't in the curriculum IS pretty important.

Yes, most of us know about all of this, even if we haven't experienced it first hand.

But what it doesn't do is explain why Clinton lost whereas Obama won twice, as you seem to be claiming it does.

 

[J Ed]

And here we go full circle.

It. was. about. race.

What about all those Trump voters who had previously voted for a man called Barack Hussein Obama? There can be multiple causes of things.