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Donald Trump, the road that might not lead to the White House!

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As an afterthought - I don't know whether or not you're eligible to vote in the US election, but there's something else to consider.

The next president will be choosing at least one - and possibly as many as three - Supreme Court Justices. That's arguably the most important thing at stake in this election.

Whatever one might think about Hillary - from my perspective, it will be much preferable if the judges are appointed by Democrats.

With Trump and his Republicans, the choice(s) could end up making Scalia seem like a raging Libertarian.
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Correct. And not just supreme court justices but all federal judges.
 
Can't agree with that. I never heard a standard-issue politician say "we came, we saw, he died" after engineering the murder of a head of state. That's sociopathic.

And what about three strikes and you're out? What about ending welfare? Those are not standard-issue policies, they're insanely destructive and blatantly racist.

Trump might do things that are just as bad, but at least he hasn't done them yet. That's how I look at it.
She didn't engineer Gaddafi's killing. She didn't have the power. She didn't come up with 3 strikes & you're out. She didn't end welfare. Neither did Bill. In fact Bill Clinton vetoed 2 earlier versions of the welfare reform bill because they were too harsh & he was heavily criticized for that.
 
It is all good Hillary is 5 points ahead, supported by the general big media outlets and very slick when it comes to getting things done, with that Trump will not be allowed to win. The world will not be safe place under Hillary, but it would be a terrifying place under Trump.:cool:
 
I just think he'll bring out people who've never voted or troubled an opinion poll before, in droves.

Plus there will be huge numbers of people lying to the polling companies. Those who don't really want to admit to it until they get to the voting booth. It happened here last year...

It's scarily possible - one of the big factors in the Brexit vote was a couple of million voters who had either never voted before or not voted in decades coming out to vote Leave, easy to see something similar working in Trump's favor - and Obama won in 2012 with just 51% of the vote on something like 60% turnout.

Trump, however, seems to be doing a very good job of inspiring just about every Latino voter in the country to come out and vote against him...
 
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Looks like we can relax, Superman has sent Trump to the Phantom Zone.
 
It's scarily possible - one of the big factors in the Brexit vote was a couple of million voters who had either never voted before or not voted in decades coming out to vote Leave, easy to see something similar working in Trump's favor - and Obama won in 2012 with just 51% of the vote on something like 60% turnout.

Trump, however, seems to be doing a very good job of inspiring just about every Latino voter in the country to come out and vote against him...
I can see the turnout being a record.

It'll all come down to exactly which side the record numbers are on. This is why it's scary - the angry people Trump appeals to seem to be particularly motivated this time. Somone is talking to them for the first time.
 
I can see the turnout being a record.

It'll all come down to exactly which side the record numbers are on. This is why it's scary - the angry people Trump appeals to seem to be particularly motivated this time. Somone is talking to them for the first time.

The angry silent majority, very worrying for the rest of the world.
 
She didn't engineer Gaddafi's killing. She didn't have the power. She didn't come up with 3 strikes & you're out. She didn't end welfare. Neither did Bill. In fact Bill Clinton vetoed 2 earlier versions of the welfare reform bill because they were too harsh & he was heavily criticized for that.

Clinton signed the "Personal Responsibility Act" in 1996. As he often loudly boasts, its purpose and effect was to "end welfare as we know it."

Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

He also admits his responsibility for mass incarceration:

Bill Clinton concedes role in mass incarceration - CNNPolitics.com

And Hillary was behind him all the way.
 
Clinton signed the "Personal Responsibility Act" in 1996. As he often loudly boasts, its purpose and effect was to "end welfare as we know it."

Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

He also admits his responsibility for mass incarceration:

Bill Clinton concedes role in mass incarceration - CNNPolitics.com

And Hillary was behind him all the way.
Hi didn't admit responsibility for mass incarceration. "President Bill Clinton on Wednesday conceded that over-incarceration in the United States stems in part from policies passed under his administration.".....and again that's 10% of inmates in federal prison. End welfare as we know it is not the same as ending welfare. There are still federal programs that help the poor although they were and are inadequate. And you skipped your assertion that she "engineered the murder of a head of state".
 
The fact that Clinton is struggling here, to win against an absolute egomaniac, delusional crazed buffoon doesn't exactly speak well of her (ahem) policies - which, as far as I can see, are essentially bureaucratic fudges which offer nothing of substance. The Democrats have nothing to offer all those people who are hurting and angry - indeed, are flocking to Trump precisely because he is not a Washington insider...and yet they absolutely cannot find a single resonant note to address these disenfranchised, immiserated workers (her fucking hot sauce in her bag ffs). So what does she stand for....essentially? The status quo at the absolute best...in other words, more of the same bullshit. This is a pathetic denouncement of a party which has signally failed to refute the sheer idiocies which fall from Trumps's lips despite all this 'huge experience' and political strategy.
 
She didn't engineer Gaddafi's killing. She didn't have the power. She didn't come up with 3 strikes & you're out. She didn't end welfare. Neither did Bill. In fact Bill Clinton vetoed 2 earlier versions of the welfare reform bill because they were too harsh & he was heavily criticized for that.

She publicly congratulated herself on Gadaffis brutal murder, cackling on television. We came, we saw, he died . She was behind the entire thing from start to finish .

The Libya Gamble: Inside Hillary Clinton's Push for War & the Making of a Failed State | Democracy Now!
 
She publicly congratulated herself on Gadaffis brutal murder, cackling on television. We came, we saw, he died . She was behind the entire thing from start to finish .

The Libya Gamble: Inside Hillary Clinton's Push for War & the Making of a Failed State | Democracy Now!
She was for it. She was wrong, but she didn't do it or engineer it. You ignore the roles of the UN, NATO & all the other countries involved. She played a small role in a huge international operation & all the players were wrong. (my emphasis in the following)
JO BECKER: But two years later, when Colonel Gaddafi threatened to crush the Arab Spring protests in Libya, she helped persuade President Obama to join other countries in bombing his forces to prevent a feared massacre.
It's likely that Gaddafi would have been overthrown without US military action.
On 19 March 2011, a multi-state NATO-led coalition began a military intervention in Libya, ostensibly to implement United Nations Security Council Resolution 1973.
.....military operations began, with American and British naval forces firing over 110 Tomahawk cruise missiles, the French Air Force, British Royal Air Force, and Royal Canadian Air Force undertaking sorties across Libya and a naval blockade by Coalition forces. French jets launched air strikes against Libyan Army tanks and vehicles.
.......From the beginning of the intervention, the initial coalition of Belgium, Canada, Denmark, France, Italy, Norway, Qatar, Spain, UK and US expanded to nineteen states.... The effort was initially largely led by France and the United Kingdom, with command shared with the United States.
2011 military intervention in Libya - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
So what does she stand for....essentially? The status quo at the absolute best...in other words, more of the same bullshit. This is a pathetic denouncement of a party which has signally failed to refute the sheer idiocies which fall from Trumps's lips despite all this 'huge experience' and political strategy.
I'd say she stands for an extension of the Obama admin.....the status quo as you say. That's not exciting or bold but it doesn't scare me like Trump & the Repubs do. And I agree the Dems are amazingly inept politically. Sen Elizabeth Warren of Mass & Sen Sherrod Brown of Ohio (hopefully Hillary's running mate) do have some fire in the belly but the party as a whole is a bunch of wimps. They have so much to work with in the insane Repubs but can't seem to land any blows. Very frustrating. If they don't get their shit together very soon, Trump will be in the WH & the Repubs will retain control of the senate......disaster.
 
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We're living in strange times indeed when Ted Cruz can emerge as the most respectable person at any given gathering. When Cruz failed to endorse him at the RNC, Trump looked like he was thinking about sending somebody round to break his legs...

I dont think it was respectable for Cruz to take to the convention floor and meally mouth dish Trump. Either go the whole hog or shut up. Fucks sake Trump called his wife ugly and suggested his dad killed JFK.
 
I dont think it was respectable for Cruz to take to the convention floor and meally mouth dish Trump. Either go the whole hog or shut up. Fucks sake Trump called his wife ugly and suggested his dad killed JFK.

"Most respectable," not actually respectable - the man is still Ted Cruz.
 
This is probably by-the-by, but how did Trump get a Hollywood star?

I know they're not exactly reserved for the creme de la creme of film, but I can't remember a single film appearance beyond cameos.

/derail
 
It is all good Hillary is 5 points ahead, supported by the general big media outlets and very slick when it comes to getting things done, with that Trump will not be allowed to win. The world will not be safe place under Hillary, but it would be a terrifying place under Trump.:cool:

Just as an aside, its unlikely Trump would be able to do anything other than tarnish the good name of the United States by causing the rest of the world to laugh at it. In terms of actually getting things done, Congress (where both sides hate him) would block almost everything he wants to do - and the few things that it did do, it would claim the credit for doing.
 
Ah.

I'm sure he was heavily involved in those production meetings.

Actually that does lead into another slightly more relevant thing -
NYT: Donald Trump Wants His VP To Be In Charge Of ALL Policy

Looks like he's not too keen on the boring bits (i.e. Off-camera) of being President.
That's one of the things that's scary about him. He delegates most everything. That's how 4 of his companies went bankrupt. He'd run the exec branch the same way. " Hey ______, handle this mid east war thing and get back to me.' 'Hey general ______, handle this torture thing and get back to me.'
 
She was for it. She was wrong, but she didn't do it or engineer it. You ignore the roles of the UN, NATO & all the other countries involved. She played a small role in a huge international operation & all the players were wrong. (my emphasis in the following)

It's likely that Gaddafi would have been overthrown without US military action.

2011 military intervention in Libya - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Cop yourself on. The UNSC mandate and NATO decision was her doing. You're nothing but a shill for this creature.

If she left a floater in the bowl you'd claim it wasn't Hillary, it was an anus that's attached to her but totally independent, and therefore not her doing . It's always " a big boy did it and ran away " when toms shilling for Killary . Laughable .

Libya e mails ? " she was just interested in Libya and chatting about it .nothing to with her really . casual onlooker "

It wasn't hitler did it, it was the third reich . That's what your argument is equal too. As if all these bodies that rubber stamped these decisions weren't under her direct influence . Or her husbands .
 
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