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Johnny Vodka said:
Well, this is one route to normalising fascism.

www.theguardian.com

Peter Mandelson calls past remarks about Trump ‘ill-judged and wrong’

Labour peer says president has won ‘fresh respect’ ahead of expected confirmation as ambassador to the US
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
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That odious turd is just backpedalling so he can get the cushiest ambassadorial gig in the western hemisphere. There's no principles behind the move. New labour's prince of darkness just wants a lucrative gig in the states -probably so he can eventually end up with a well remunerated directorship thanks to the contacts he made when in post.
Poot said:
Surely antifa is a movement rather than any sort of organisation. And anti-fascist isn't really an ideology anyway, it's just what you're supposed to be. This is nuts.
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It's suitably broad so the american far right can lump any nominally left-of-centre dissenting voice into the broad category of 'anteefah'. You'd like to think considering how many troops the US lost storming the beaches of Normandy that antifascist would be the default position and not the aberration these reality-inverting monsters are trying to make it out to be. It's people like MTG that make me think 'maybe the world should be cleansed with fire' -and that's their purpose, to ramp up the wider hate. Fucking poison.
 
danny la rouge said:
I’ve not been following that thread, but it’ll be interesting to see how RFKjr fairs. The Trump administration has thrown itself in with the tech oligarchs, in an interesting parallel with Putin and the current wave of Russian oligarchs. It’s nothing new that the political leadership of the state should represent the interests of capital, but this naked and visual structural cementing of that alliance seems to reflect the development of capitalism in Russia and China over the last 3 decades.

Can a loose canon such as RFK keep his position under the watch of the tech oligarchs? (More importantly Zuckerberg, Bezos and Pichai: the ego clash of Musk and Trump is its own psychodrama).
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I believe Trumps Modus Operandi is to cause chaos where people don’t know what’s real or not or truth from fiction and in that chaos, take over. The Oligarchs are stepping into line as they don’t want to be censored. If they allow criticism of Trump which they have in the past will be censored by themselves as they are in thrall to Trump. Trump has huge power right now. But even before now, he knew he could use his base to oust any contender for Congress or the Senate. He admires how Putin did it. Not sure at the moment if he wants to outdo Putin as he has a Democratic mandate.

Trump will get rid of anyone even Musk if he feels like it. RFK means nothing to him. I won’t feel sad for his supporters when he turns on them including the oligarchs. He only has loyalty to himself.
 
danny la rouge said:
I’d missed that story. More details here:

www.independent.co.uk

Trump critic Jim Acosta reveals his next move after leaving CNN

‘To President Trump and his allies, you may think you have silenced me. But guess again,’ Jim Acosta noted just hours after signing off from CNN for the final time
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I wonder if the spin from the Indie is as much from their perspective, as a “legacy” outlet surfing the changes in consumer demand themselves?

“Acosta joins a growing list of mainstream news journalists and personalities who have ditched legacy media to go the independent route on Substack.”

I have to admit I’ve not paid any attention to Substack other than being aware of the word and its existence. Is it something I have to learn about? I really don’t feel I have the spoons to take it on.
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I don't know substack either. I tend to skip through the various MSM headlines, look at Ch 4 and the BBC for insight, editorial.

I check out Luke Beasley and Meidas Media on YouTube for Trump stuff. Some others, but them mostly. They're both covering it pretty comprehensively from a pop left position. I won't often watch the whole clip but they often put me ahead of the news cycle, and I can then go check or dig into a story elsewhere.

I also keep an eye on some of the RW commentary on YT.

I think it's less and less likely that professional newscasters broadcasters and pundits will.be able to find home or haven on the airwaves. They'll be stuck in the graveyard shift, limited to PBS public radio and local channels. Enough for Trump to claim they're not being silenced but not enough to.gdin traction.

They'll realise that they're getting stifled, obstructed, shut out. Press packs and invitations will get lost. Only the very dedicated and bullheaded will persevere, and they'll thereby become more visible, more vulnerable.

Fewer left leaning women, lgbtq folks and POC will be employed in newsrooms. That change will.keep pace with increasing legislation and prejudice against them, thus making it even harder for anyone to complain, point it out, or push back on it.

I hope I'm wrong.
 
Coffeecup said:
I believe Trumps Modus Operandi is to cause chaos where people don’t know what’s real or not or truth from fiction and in that chaos, take over. The Oligarchs are stepping into line as they don’t want to be censored. If they allow criticism of Trump which they have in the past will be censored by themselves as they are in thrall to Trump. Trump has huge power right now. But even before now, he knew he could use his base to oust any contender for Congress or the Senate. He admires how Putin did it. Not sure at the moment if he wants to outdo Putin as he has a Democratic mandate.

Trump will get rid of anyone even Musk if he feels like it. RFK means nothing to him. I won’t feel sad for his supporters when he turns on them including the oligarchs. He only has loyalty to himself.
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Yeah. He's definitely creating a firestorm in order to shut down meaningful debate, effective challenges and get everything softened up for the really tough stuff. He's come out of his corner full of whirling vigour and bluster. It keeps us a bit confused, a little taken back, a touch unmoored. And thereby more likely to step back and allow him the advantage.
 
Crispy said:
It's just a blogging platform
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So... One of the foremost TV News anchors has been relegated to a blog.

As others have said, YouTube will become increasingly relevant as a news source. Plenty of shite on there but if you curate your algorithm and keep pushing into new commentary sources, it can be useful.
 
breadandcircuse said:
Get over yourself.

There's an awful lot of nonsense being spewed here, and I don't mean the content of the thread, but from some posters. Equating independent/progressive voices as YT influencers, as if they are fucking Tik Tok teens promoting the latest fashion trends, is ridiculous. We need these media voices more than ever against the Trump enabling corporate media. Anything I posted is relevant to the thread about Trump. This high handed attitude some here have about how the original thread was tainted by supposed "flooding" it with inconsequential content, deemed to be too low for the superior minds moaning is quite frankly insulting and hypocritical. I do believe I spotted the same "serious" content, and, shock horror, multi media stuff on the highbrow thread. Pass me the smelling salts.
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maybe just have a read of this again and recognise that perhaps it might refer to some of your contributions

editor said:
MOD MODE

Two Trump threads now merged. This one is for serious discussion so anyone pissing about will be warned and/or booted off the thread if they keep disrupting the thread.

Please use this thread for memes and messing about - Essential Trump/Alt-Right memes
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Sweet FA said:
Fuck off Skinny Ethel - you're a decent poster but you're acting the cunt here. And you breadandcircuse, piss off with your fucking constant bleating. And before your other mate Coffeecup tips up, they can fuck off too. You're basically talking to yourselves here - you're an annoying little fucking clique posting shitty memes and liking each other's posts while every other fucker tries to scroll past and make some fucking sense of it.

You've fucking been told time and again that your posts are fucking shit and to fuck off with it to some other thread.

You're like a fucking child smearing your shit over the thread then pointing at it and saying 'ha ha that's Donald Trump that is' before licking your own fingers.

Fucksake. Start your own fucking thread where you can talk shit to your other mates and spare us all the fucking irritation.
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Isn't that what we had, until for some unfathomable reason the threads were merged back together?
I was rather enjoying discussing Trump without having to wade through all the patronising, bullying, intolerant shit from people determined to stay in the 1900s and not have any of this modern memes and satirical content spoil their high brow debate.
Both threads seemed to be serving their own function rather well.
Now we're back to squabbling and authoritarian threats of removal.
 
story said:
Yeah. He's definitely creating a firestorm in order to shut down meaningful debate, effective challenges and get everything softened up for the really tough stuff. He's come out of his corner full of whirling vigour and bluster. It keeps us a bit confused, a little taken back, a touch unmoored. And thereby more likely to step back and allow him the advantage.
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Yes, it is a well known part of both his media and governance strategy. It's what Trump's little Rasputin Bannon calls 'flooding the zone with shit'. It's straight from the Putin playbook. Its aim is to confuse, terrorise, enrage and exhaust anyone trying to hold him to account:

The strategy has existed since at least 2018, when the former Trump administration strategist Stephen K. Bannon boasted of the ability to overwhelm Democrats and any media opposition through a determined effort to “flood the zone” with initiatives.

This time, the flood is bigger, wider and more brutally efficient. As President Trump begins his second term, he has enacted his agenda at breakneck speed as part of an intentional plan to knock his opponents off balance and dilute their response.

Firing inspectors general. Sweeping clemency for Jan. 6 defendants. Investigations of perceived enemies. A federal hiring freeze. Moving to end birthright citizenship. An immigration crackdown. Terminating diversity, equity and inclusion programs. Revoking security clearances.

On Tuesday, just when Democrats thought they might come up for air, news broke that Mr. Trump had ordered a freeze on trillions of dollars in federal grants and loans, prompting a new round of outrage.

But the flood has had its intended disorienting effect: How can Democrats fight back when they can’t catch their breath?
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Coffeecup said:
I believe Trumps Modus Operandi is to cause chaos where people don’t know what’s real or not or truth from fiction and in that chaos, take over. The Oligarchs are stepping into line as they don’t want to be censored. If they allow criticism of Trump which they have in the past will be censored by themselves as they are in thrall to Trump. Trump has huge power right now. But even before now, he knew he could use his base to oust any contender for Congress or the Senate. He admires how Putin did it. Not sure at the moment if he wants to outdo Putin as he has a Democratic mandate.

Trump will get rid of anyone even Musk if he feels like it. RFK means nothing to him. I won’t feel sad for his supporters when he turns on them including the oligarchs. He only has loyalty to himself.
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Trump doesn't actually have a mandate. That's another of his Big Lies.




Having said that, I do however believe that on the whole, America has voted for the president who most aligns with their general views. The suppurating wound of slavery predisposes them to bigotry. Add guns, the American Dream, Late stage capitalism etc, you got this shit show.
 
Johnny Vodka said:
Well, this is one route to normalising fascism.

www.theguardian.com

Peter Mandelson calls past remarks about Trump ‘ill-judged and wrong’

Labour peer says president has won ‘fresh respect’ ahead of expected confirmation as ambassador to the US
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
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He's a disgusting corrupt right wing monied up Labour hack and that's not to mention other serious allegations but described by one centrist poster on here when first nominated for ambassador as ' no better hand-clasper than Mandy'.
 
The39thStep said:
I've subscribed to a couple of writers on there but their pricing system needs an overhaul, it's too expensive to follow more than 2-3 at a time
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I wondered about that. Is it like Patreon, where you pay to view content? Yeah, I understand journalism needs to be paid for, but I’m paying to access the internet in the first place, I’m paying for every TV streaming service. There comes a point in the subscription model where I duck out.

In the olden days of dead tree media, I bought one newspaper and the occasional magazine. I didn’t buy them all plus tip the journalists individually. And advertising was always a big revenue stream anyway. If I’m going to have to pay for every blog, I’m not going to bother. Especially with the extreme variability of quality.

It’s a problem.
 
danny la rouge said:
Depressing.
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Welcome to the next four years. I keep thinking that, for reasons of mental wellbeing, I'm going to stop consuming the news, especially the news about the USA, its just too dark. Just come to terms with the fact that USA has decided to fuck itself and that's their problem.

But then I remember its not their problem. Its our shared planet the Trump regime is taking a blowtorch too. And here in Europe there are plenty of mini Trumps - the AfDs, FNs and Reform Parties waiting in the wings, waiting to unleash similar terror and violence on us when they get their grubby hands on state power. And I have no idea how to stop them.
 
Petcha said:
Wow. Some of the quotes that sentator on the panel was pulling out from RFK's book, so he can't really deny it. Although of course he is trying to

'Pesticides cause transgender children'
'African AIDS is different to Western AIDS.'

:facepalm:
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We don’t need a meme to imagine his father looking down on him with tears streaming down his face.
 
One of the senators just held some big boards made up printing his quotes on abortion. He's pro-choice. 'Government shouldn't tell a woman what to do with her body'.

WTF. This is getting weirder and weirder.
 
danny la rouge said:
I wondered about that. Is it like Patreon, where you pay to view content? Yeah, I understand journalism needs to be paid for, but I’m paying to access the internet in the first place, I’m paying for every TV streaming service. There comes a point in the subscription model where I duck out.

In the olden days of dead tree media, I bought one newspaper and the occasional magazine. I didn’t buy them all plus tip the journalists individually. And advertising was always a big revenue stream anyway. If I’m going to have to pay for every blog, I’m not going to bother. Especially with the extreme variability of quality.

It’s a problem.
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I think the economics of this sort of thing tends to be that they only need a relatively small proportion of their listeners to actually chip in. I know there are some who are properly behind paywalls but there's a lot where you can see their stuff without paying and they just aim to get enough people to pay to keep them viable. It might not be a lot but they're very small operations so they can maybe cover a few people from it.

For me the issue is more that what they replace is essentially opinion, it's not news. You really can't replicate an old style media outlet's actual news coverage with a couple of people getting patreon subscriptions. If you compare them to, say, The Guardian (to pick a much loved Urban favourite), I don't really have any problem with people saying 'this is preferable to the stuff put out by the likes of Martin Kettle and Polly Toynbee' but they can't really compare to the basic news provision, whatever its faults might be.
 
chandlerp said:
No way I’m visiting that shithole ever again so not remotely bothered.
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Tralala!

Doesn't bother me cos it don't touch me!

Dancing while Rome burns stuff.

It's the writing on the wall. The thin end of the wedge. It's a goad for white supremacy stuff to get pushed forward
danny la rouge said:
I wondered about that. Is it like Patreon, where you pay to view content? Yeah, I understand journalism needs to be paid for, but I’m paying to access the internet in the first place, I’m paying for every TV streaming service. There comes a point in the subscription model where I duck out.

In the olden days of dead tree media, I bought one newspaper and the occasional magazine. I didn’t buy them all plus tip the journalists individually. And advertising was always a big revenue stream anyway. If I’m going to have to pay for every blog, I’m not going to bother. Especially with the extreme variability of quality.

It’s a problem.
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This ^ is one of the reasons I use YouTube. I can skip the adverts. I can listen on increased speed. I can listen as if to the radio (not watch the screen). I can curate the algorithm. I can open another window on my tablet to follow a lead or check something. And I don't have to navigate cookies as I enter different sites.

I'll go in and sort out the privacies and permissions etc every so often too

It works for me.
 
story said:
I don't know substack either. I tend to skip through the various MSM headlines, look at Ch 4 and the BBC for insight, editorial.

I check out Luke Beasley and Meidas Media on YouTube for Trump stuff. Some others, but them mostly. They're both covering it pretty comprehensively from a pop left position. I won't often watch the whole clip but they often put me ahead of the news cycle, and I can then go check or dig into a story elsewhere.

I also keep an eye on some of the RW commentary on YT.

I think it's less and less likely that professional newscasters broadcasters and pundits will.be able to find home or haven on the airwaves. They'll be stuck in the graveyard shift, limited to PBS public radio and local channels. Enough for Trump to claim they're not being silenced but not enough to.gdin traction.

They'll realise that they're getting stifled, obstructed, shut out. Press packs and invitations will get lost. Only the very dedicated and bullheaded will persevere, and they'll thereby become more visible, more vulnerable.

Fewer left leaning women, lgbtq folks and POC will be employed in newsrooms. That change will.keep pace with increasing legislation and prejudice against them, thus making it even harder for anyone to complain, point it out, or push back on it.

I hope I'm wrong.
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The most recent video on meidasmedia claims: WOW! France DESTROYS Trump with MILITARY RESPONSE

Is Trump destroyed? Has there been a military response from France? Looks a lot like sensationalist clickbait to me. Don't really see a huge difference between stuff like this and Breitbart. Both are more interested in clicks and pushing a narrative than honest and genuinely informative journalism.
 
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